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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:50 am 
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IF ONLY Wafer had just stayed in his bed (pulled blankets over his head) and phoned 911!!

Yep, then an hour later when the police showed up, they would have been trying to figure out who killed him.


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H/T Polar Dude Interesting case for comparison....

Grand jury won't indict police officer who shot unarmed man TEN TIMES as he looked for help after car crash

  • North Carolina grand jury decline indict police officer Randall Kerrick who fatally shot unarmed Jonathan Ferrell ten times last September
  • Jurors claim there is not enough evidence to indict Kerrick on voluntary manslaughter charges
  • Ferrell family attorney said the decision is 'highly suspicious and gravely concerning'
  • Family are 'disappointed, shocked, devastated'
  • Charlotte NAACP President said: 'This is one of the most despicable decisions I have ever seen made by human beings'


By Daily Mail Reporter
Published: 21:58 GMT, 22 January 2014 | Updated: 22:54 GMT, 23 January 2014

A grand jury has declined to indict a North Carolina police officer who killed an unarmed former Florida A&M football player by shooting him ten times last year.

Officer Randall Kerrick, 28, was charged with voluntary manslaughter in the September 14 fatal shooting of 24-year-old Jonathan Ferrell in Charlotte.

Ferrell’s family claim that he was in a submissive position – either on his knees or lying on the ground – when he was shot, and filed a wrongful death suit against Kerrick last week.

An attorney for the family said the were 'disappointed, shocked, devastated' by the decision, as reported by WBTV.

Ferrell had survived a car accident and banged on the door of a nearby house in the middle of the night looking for help.
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H/T Polar Dude Another similar case for comparison

Bob Clarke: Justified to kill, but haunted to the end
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/201 ... ill_b.html

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Homeowner cleared of charges in shooting of intruder
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... sp?ID=2941

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"Sideshow Bob" has stated several times that with a white guy accused of murdering a black, there will be at least ONE Detroit Juror who will hold out for guilty. Sure of this before ANY evidence is presented, and so clearly the evidence wont matter. I wonder who the 1 or more Juror is... Bob's peers.

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Yep, then an hour later when the police showed up, they would have been trying to figure out who killed him.


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renewsit ^^^^^Has a lot of info on this case at her blog site.. great reference

Renisha McBride/Theodore Wafer

Renisha McBride Hype free Information

http://www.re-newsit.com/p/renisha-mcbr ... l?spref=tw

(I'll add this link to the reference thread here)

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Thanks :) I don't suppose the trial is going to be streamed...or do we know yet?

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The "feeling" I have is that it will be streamed after Jury seated.

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Rumpole wrote:
renewsit ^^^^^Has a lot of info on this case at her blog site.. great reference

Renisha McBride/Theodore Wafer

Renisha McBride Hype free Information

http://www.re-newsit.com/p/renisha-mcbr ... l?spref=tw

(I'll add this link to the reference thread here)



I was previously unaware of the story in her oldest link about the police initially telling the family that her body had been found "dumped" near that corner, as though they had no idea who shot her.

How does something like that even happen?

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Would anyone know the time Renisha was shot ? If heard 2 different times. 2:30AM or 4:30AM?


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I saw question in tweets :) and replied there.

There is link to Huff post timeline in reference thread here.
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4:46 a.m. A Dearborn Heights dispatcher said she had just received a call from a homeowner who said he had shot someone on his porch, according to the Detroit News. Less than five minutes later, units were on the scene at the 16800 block of West Outer Drive, several blocks from the Detroit accident.


Like most things... what is presented in court is what we will have to work with.

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wonder what happened to her shoes? I read about her having a boot or show with the soles torn, but didn't someone say autopsy didn't show shoes? I gonna have to go to be early. LOL Read 19 pages here and had to get up early to help a friend. We had a blast. Tomorrow back at it.I guessing the jury selection wasn't streamed. Hugs and thanks for all yall do.


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Hi :blow Mimi

(see it's not always the fish)

Jury selection NOT streamed, but there is a person doing live updates from court on twitter.... which I am posting in Trial thread

TRIAL - Streaming links and live updates
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Live tweets: Jury selection underway in porch shooting trial
July 21, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Oralandar Brand-Williams The Detroit News

Detroit — Jury selection began Monday for the second-degree murder trial of Theodore Wafer, a 55-year-old Dearborn Heights homeowner charged in the highly-publicized shooting death of Detroit teen Renisha McBride last year.

The case has been closely watched around the country and compared to the racially charged Trayvon Martin case in Florida.

On Monday, 62 prospective jurors from a pool of 200 Wayne County residents were bought into Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Dana Hathaway’s courtroom to be questioned for possible jury duty in case. Jury selection is expected to take at least three more days and the trial is expected to go at least 10 days.

The jurors brought into court Monday were questioned about race, gun ownership, the issue of self-defense and other topics related to the case.

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So... doing da Math from last two posts...

62 Potentials questioned and 26 rejected

62 - 26 = 36

Looks like ENOUGH to me!

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wonder what happened to her shoes? I read about her having a boot or show with the soles torn, but didn't someone say autopsy didn't show shoes? I gonna have to go to be early. LOL Read 19 pages here and had to get up early to help a friend. We had a blast. Tomorrow back at it.I guessing the jury selection wasn't streamed. Hugs and thanks for all yall do.



I'm playing catch up on this case but one of the police officers on the scene wrote in the report that she was wearing boots. If I come across it again I'll provide a link.

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My thoughts and opinions;


Judge Turfe ruled that the videotape (of Wafer speaking to police after the shooting which led to his release with no charges) was inadmissible under Michigan Court Rules because Wafer could take the stand himself and be cross-examined.

Eh?

Judge allows a member of the victims dad’s church to remain as a potential juror. (Later sent packing probably without cause by the defense thereby eliminating one of the defense's preemptory challenges). IMO the jury selection process, considered one of the most important aspect of getting a fair trial in a case, is being done while putting the defense at a disadvantage.

JUDGE introduces the quandary of black people being disloyal to their race thereby emphasizing race in the trial.

Judge deems photos of Renisha showing her with marijuana, cash and a gun are inadmissible as they are too prejudicial. Judge does not allow texts that indicate Renisha was dealing drugs into evidence.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-selfies- ... -at-trial/


Isn’t Renisha’s state of mind and behavior paramount to the claim by the prosecution that she was a simply damsel in distress politely seeking assistance? Isn’t past conduct a predictor of future conduct and wouldn’t Reshina’s conduct on Wafer’s porch be a key issue in an unbiased trial?

This sounds like the makings of a trial by prejudice. Guilty because white. The case is to come down to whether or not Reshina appeared to be a threat to Wafer, because of her behavior that was obviously influenced by her inebriated state.

So what else do we know?

We know we had a judge who had received contributions from the prosecution yet refused to recuse herself from the case which forced another judge to take the action of removing her for her (or at least her campaigns) fraternization with the prosecution.

We know Renisha’s blood alcohol was .22 far over the legal limit, we know that Renisha was speeding in her car which she crashed while intoxicated and that she left the scene of her crime. We know Reshina had been illegally drinking. We know she disappeared for quite a bit of time after fleeing the scene of the accident she caused. It is claimed and not disputed (as far as I know) that she tried to enter a home that was not her’s through two different doors. We know Wafer thought that at least one person was trying to enter his house through the door.

It seems Reshina has a history of alcohol and drug use.

We know that some members of society are trying to make this about race.


http://nation.time.com/2013/11/12/polic ... -shooting/


Detroit community activist, Rev. Charles Williams II — a pastor of King Solomon and president of the Michigan chapter of the National Action Network  — said at a community rally he organized on Nov. 9 with 200 attendees, “We cannot allow the moment of Travyon Martin to come and go. We cannot allow the moment of Renisha McBride to come and go,” the Detroit News reports.

A scenario of what possibly happened, Wafer was woken up by someone trying to enter his home, his home is in an area where home break-ins are not unheard of. Wafer arms himself, and he investigates, he hears someone trying to open his door, he opens the door and an intruder is standing outside in the dark who has been causing a commotion and banging on his "doors” and Wafer in that flash second assumes the the person is trying to get access to his home, Wafer panics and shoots.


Horrible, terrible way to have one’s life ended but certainly not race motivated “kill at will” as one zealots sign read. Reshina unfortunately bears the responsibility for consuming alcohol as a minor, consuming enough alcohol to reach a .22 blood alcohol content, driving while having a .22 blood alcohol content, causing an accident while OWI, unlawfully leaving the scene of an accident, approaching a house and pounding on doors while inebriated and putting a legitimate fright into the resident.

Does that me she deserved to die? Absolutely not. It means that she made a lot of foolish, unlawful and dangerous choices and it ended in the worst way possible, as bad, unlawful inebriated choices sometime do.


That said, would I have opened my door, no. I would have dialed 911 and kept my gun on the door and if it opened I would have shot. But I don’t know the full story. The devil will be in the details as to whether Wafer testifies that Reshina was trying to enter his home, what she was doing and saying and why he opened his door.

Did Wafer casually open his door and say “Oh look a young drunk black woman I think I’ll kill her.” Only the race baiters and their deluded followers can be so dull as to promote and respectively believe such nonsense.

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Thanks Carm... I see you have been doing your homework... good girl :give

I have to do a bit too. Some of detail is lost back a few months now.

But I will add.. as I recall from 2 day pre-trial hearing... it seems McBride was pulling at screen door to gain entry and she had pulled it lose ... it was in a dropped down position when shot fired. So strictly speaking she was in the process of breaking and ENTERING Wafer's home. I imagine in his anxious state he perceived it as an intruder (in dark he would likely NOT see details such as it was a woman) who had already pulled lose the screen door in order to gain access.... BANG!!

An earlier post of mine....

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"Why did he shoot?"
Is the 6 million dollar question.... self defence? He thought a bad person and/or loon was breaking in and he "feared for his life"

Aroused at 4AM... banging on all doors... dark... and he sees? Someone who has ripped screen out of frame and appears to be about to enter (invade) his home.......

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