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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:37 am 
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Thanks aavi.... I see on photo "Wales News" and I think I saw something about her clinic being in Wales....

She has a web site
http://www.enjoyfeet.co.uk/Sue_Kent.htm ... _Kent.html

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Make no mistake about it, that psych report is nothing but good for Pistorius.

Little bits of it are starting to be dribbled out.

Awwww does poor Nel need a pacifier and a blanky?


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Absolutely.

The psychologist's report stated ...'found no evidence that Pistorius had a history of abnormal aggression or explosive violence but concluded he has a record of feeling insecure and vulnerable, particularly when he is without his prosthetic limbs. When physically threatened, Pistorius might have a fearful reaction that could seem extraordinary when viewed from the perspective of an able-bodied person, but normal in the context of a disabled person with his history'.

This must by now be a mantra spinning around in Nel's head. He'll probably need more than a pacifier and a blanky to help him sleep tonight.

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As I have already opined...... I think the closing argument will be more extensive that we see in US trials.

I have some concerns that there could be a blurring of the line between fact and speculation. I don't trust Nel to stick to the rules.

I imagine that there is a "reluctance" to constantly object to the opposition's closing argument.... but decorum be buggered... I would like to see Roux up and down like a jack-in-the-box objecting to Nel's likely fanciful closing tirade. Of course when Roux is doing his closing spiel .. they may need to muzzle Nel, and chain one of his legs to a chair.

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Thanks Steve. I gather from previous posts that you KNOW about this technical sound stuff.

You can be RT's Verified Sound Expert

IANASE but I managed to grasp what Lin was saying, and it was obvious that Nel wanted to simple add 5 (or preferably 10dB) to all the levels at receiver. Obviously because Burger's evidence was discredited by the sound levels predicted.

I thought Lin held up well. The evidence is very technical. I STILL think they could do with a psychologist/audiologist to explain the basics of human perception. Even when sound levels are such that they are "Intelligible" there is still the overriding effect of Human perception. When sound is "barely intelligible" the psychological factors of the "listener" have an even bigger effect. Clearly that is in play here where Burger (and hubby) have "convinced themselves" about what they are hearing despite the sound level likely being below that required to do that


Hmm...thanks Rumpole. Dixon was a 'sound expert' allegedly, but I'll take my chances anyhow.

Yep, I totally agree about the technicality of this type of evidence, and hope that the judge and her assessors will be able to appreciate the psychological aspect alongside the level of sound findings.

I've been pleased with Judge Masipa throughout most of the trial, but there are a few things that I'm not convinced she's fully understood. A recent remark was made about the blue led light in the bedroom, whereby she had to be corrected that the light was blue not red, and a couple of other things which have since gone from my head.

They're not major game-changers, but if I just use the remark about the light as an example. This was discussed in quite some detail a while ago, however I'm not convinced she's grasped the concept about the brightness and distracting attributes of the blue light. I find this a bit worrying as that specific part of testimony was quite detailed. Especially as her misunderstanding didn't seem like a simple slip of the tongue regarding the colour.

The other small issues were things that had to be re-explained. I'm not suggesting that a judge should be all-knowing, far from it, but what I usually find is that a judge often grasps the concept of things before I do (making exception for specialist or expert witness testimony which we all struggle with at times). Maybe that says more about me than her lol. The first few times it happened I put it down to the fact that she may not have heard correctly or clearly, but latterly a bit of doubt has crept in.

Perhaps I'm just looking for issues, and ultimately there are the two assessors to assist if things are misunderstood.

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Rumpole wrote:
As I have already opined...... I think the closing argument will be more extensive that we see in US trials.

I have some concerns that there could be a blurring of the line between fact and speculation. I don't trust Nel to stick to the rules.

I imagine that there is a "reluctance" to constantly object to the opposition's closing argument.... but decorum be buggered... I would like to see Roux up and down like a jack-in-the-box objecting to Nel's likely fanciful closing tirade. Of course when Roux is doing his closing spiel .. they may need to muzzle Nel, and chain one of his legs to a chair.


That's a good point regarding closing argument objections. The considered bad practice may not apply looking at some of the other unusual practices allowed in SA court.

I'm quite looking forward to see who's going to 'take one for the team' regarding the extension lead. I guess it'll be a case of all the SAPS pointing to each other saying 'it was him', whilst a couple of them try to avoid moving their shirt-cuffs, hence displaying their 'new watch'.


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I think you are justified in having concerns, Steve.

The way things go in court leaves a LOT to be concerned about. Throughout the trial I have taken comfort in the fact that it is a "bench" decision and that a Judge will be able to cope whereas a Jury may well not.

I did notice the very thing that you use as an example.... the blue light. I would HOPE that the judge has paid better attention that I have. I am not always listening and doing other things during the trial yet most things are well known to me.. they should be for the Judge as well... even more so.

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steveml wrote:

That's a good point regarding closing argument objections. The considered bad practice may not apply looking at some of the other unusual practices allowed in SA court.

I'm quite looking forward to see who's going to 'take one for the team' regarding the extension lead. I guess it'll be a case of all the SAPS pointing to each other saying 'it was him', whilst a couple of them try to avoid moving their shirt-cuffs, hence displaying their 'new watch'.

I think the Cops have got off very lightly. Roux could have stressed more the complete botch up of the crime scene... incompetence and probably intentional manipulation. I defer to Roux to have a better idea than me on strategy.. but one avenue could have been to go for a "mistrial"... the cops were that bad.

Given the importance that Nel gave the fans, and where they could and could not have been moved to.. and really used that to fluster OP, accuse him of contriving an impossible story etc.. and so effect more parts of his evidence... I do think the Judge has to take some steps to address the missing extension lead.. key evidence as it turns out BECAUSE Nel made such a big deal of it.

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The way things have been going in court from the first trial day, leaves a heck of a lot to be concerned about.

As for OP feeling vulnerable without his prosthetic limbs, is something I think should not surprise anyone, it certainly doesn't surprise me, and I would imagine it would be quite a normal reaction for someone in his position, whether an athlete or not.

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steveml wrote:
I've been pleased with Judge Masipa throughout most of the trial, but there are a few things that I'm not convinced she's fully understood. A recent remark was made about the blue led light in the bedroom, whereby she had to be corrected that the light was blue not red, and a couple of other things which have since gone from my head.


Not to worry Steve. That lass to her right is one sharp cookie. She was the one that picked up on Reeva being able to use the alarm remote to go downstairs and eat and torpedoed the stomach contents BS about eating at 1 AM. And she was equally hep to the toilet light being out which she made sure to ask Oscar and had him put it on the record. This torpoedoes the Burger duopoly.

Masipa constantly always defers to her with any questions if you notice. The guy is a mystery but that girl is a cracker jack assessor and is right on the track. Anything that Masipa misses, she will fill her in. I'm super impressed with her.


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Tidbits from the psych report.......ALMOST ALL PURE GOLD FOR PISTORIUS


Things might be "easier if he were dead," but "his family has been put through enough"

"I was someone going somewhere," said Pistorius

Has 4-5 cups of coffee daily, takes Cipralex (antidepressant), Dorminoc (insomnia) and Urbanol (anticonvulsant)

"Lost many of his friends because he no longer enjoys socializing or going out"

Psychologist says he saw "two Oscar's" in his analysis of #Pistorius, one an "international superstar"; the other "vulnerable & fearful"

Took care of Oscar & Aimee when their mom was unable to, sometimes after drinking too much

"Biggest dream" was to race against able-bodied athletes, fulfilling his mom's opinion he was not disabled."

Had a troubled relationship w/women being pursued by "Victoria's Secret" publications

Relationship with Reeva was "probably only the second one where he felt trust, security and real companionship"

"Ms Steenkamp shared his views on religion and would often listen to his 'Hillsong' music while driving in her car"

"Held regular prayer and Bible discussion at his residence with fellow Christians."

"He prayed daily and still does"

"Suspicious" of women because of "his fame and the media attention he received"

"At times…he could converse with confidence about subjects relating to athletics, business, cars, motorbikes and politics"

OP has lost interest in living and no longer enjoys the things he used to

Since shooting OP says he is depressed, wants to be alone and feels people look at him differently

"Scored "significant scores" on post-traumatic stress disorder, agoraphobia, social phobia & alcohol abuse"

"To everybody's surprise he took her [Steenkamp] to his grandfather's funeral,"

"Pistorius doesn't suffer from clinically significant anxiety"

"Ability to distinguish between rightful or wrongful nature of his deeds" was unaffected."

"Currently accused presents with an Adjustment Disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood."

OP has PTSD and is mourning loss of Reeva.

There were no signs of abuse or coercion in relationship with Reeva


All before the gag order.............No soup for you Nel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :neener


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Oscar Pistorius murder trial: 5 things we learned as court hears about athlete's mental health
Jul 02, 2014 15:40
By Anthony Bond

    1) Oscar Pistorius is 'severely traumatised' and could commit suicide

    2) The athlete is 'an anxious individual' who is 'hyper vigilant'

    3) Pistorius was in love with former girlfriend Samantha Taylor

    4) A UK-based massage therapist was (almost) used as part of Pistorius's defence

    5) Attacks against disabled people 'increased after the London 2012 Paralympic Games'

...more at link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... -5-3800114

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Wouldn't it be an interesting turn of the screw if Ms Kent (the massage therapist) contacted Roux saying she was miffed that her emails were considered irrelevant and that she was willing to fly down to Pretoria if he wanted to put her on the stand to testify in person.

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I guess Roux can call who he wants.. :)

How about appear via skype? Been done in USA... wonder if it would be accepted in SA?

As I said don't see Mrs Kent's evidence (live or email) being especially important. The UNFORTUNATE thing is that Nel gets a "Win" the way it all went down.
Looking on the bright side... it has been my experience watching trials that a Judge will favor objections from the side he/she is ultimately to rule AGAINST. Kinda like she wants to give them the crumbs as consolation, or more to the point, she does does not want to be open to an accusation that she treated the losing side unfairly.

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Not to worry Steve. That lass to her right is one sharp cookie. She was the one that picked up on Reeva being able to use the alarm remote to go downstairs and eat and torpedoed the stomach contents BS about eating at 1 AM. And she was equally hep to the toilet light being out which she made sure to ask Oscar and had him put it on the record. This torpoedoes the Burger duopoly.

Masipa constantly always defers to her with any questions if you notice. The guy is a mystery but that girl is a cracker jack assessor and is right on the track. Anything that Masipa misses, she will fill her in. I'm super impressed with her.


I just saw this about your Lady assessor, aavi

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A profile of Henzen-du Toit published by Beeld newspaper earlier this month pointed out that she was an expert in criminal justice. She has an Honours degree in psychology and Master's degree in criminal justice and criminal prosecution. She is working on a doctorate in criminal law, criminal prosecution, evidence and constitutional interpretation.


http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/dem ... z36NyzXNco

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Rumpole wrote:

As I said don't see Mrs Kent's evidence (live or email) being especially important. The UNFORTUNATE thing is that Nel gets a "Win" the way it all went down.


I agree that her emails were inconsequential since Derman had not treated her personally, but then again we don't really know what she said in them. Apparently they were pretty long and it was somehow going to tie in very importantly in the doctor's findings.

If she was called to testify, not only would Nel have to walk on eggshells with her and start out every question with "with the utmost respect for your disability", it would really give a comprehensive view to Masipa and the helpers about the paranoia of all of those with limited physical mobilities and I think would be a good strategy to add a little cherry on the top of Oscar's testimony.

And Nel couldn't do a thing to stop her from testifying. :53


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I edited my post to add "How about Mrs Kent testify via skype"??

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Rumpole wrote:
I edited my post to add "How about Mrs Kent testify via skype"??


Although the visual wouldn't have the same impact as being there live, that's certainly a possibility that could be sprung.

In any case, Nel is going to have his hands full with this doctor. I don't see him being impuned very easily or taking kindly to being called biased. He's a great witness for OP.

Look for the wolverine full out ambush attempt here. I'm going to put my money on the doctor to give Nel a full out battle and a few lessons on physical disabilities.

This Dr. Derman could be an incalculably significant witness when the dust settles.


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Yes for once looking forward to Harry Null getting a go.... always good to see a bully who meets up with somebody who can fight back :)

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Oldwage dealt with the "Room mate incident" and managed a nice put down of Harry Null at the same time :) Null was confused over Para-Olympics as opposed to Olympics.... you see Mr Null... now I have a problem with your entire veeeershun... I put it to you Mr Null that you were LYING... making your questions up as you go along

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