You could watch YT replays?

Or just skim through the Trial thread

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Defense paints character of "peacefulness" for Michael Dunn, closing arguments soon
Posted: 5:47 p.m. Monday, Feb. 10, 2014
By Stephanie Brown

Jacksonville, FL — After some four days of State’s testimony, it was time for the defense to take over the witness stand Monday.

In about 2 ½ hours, Defense Attorney Cory Strolla called 11 witnesses, many of which spoke to Michael Dunn’s general state of being or demeanor the day of the shooting.

...more at link
http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/def ... unn/ndKJy/

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Just relying on trial testimony and evidence presented, I have the opinion that Davis may have been standing outside the car when he was shot in both legs, then 3rd and fatal shot hit him when he was leaping (or falling back) inside the car. My opinion may change depending on further testimony and/or evidence.

The interview was with the lead detective on the case...I didn't realize the audio was up on Phillips website - just copied a link off twitter w/o looking b/c I'd already heard it.

So this thread is to discuss what is put into evidence during the trial only?

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Sorry renewsit... didn't mean to imply you couldn't discuss it. I was watching the trial at the time though

I have seen a lot of posting elsewhere that Dunn will be found guilty because of stuff like that. I was just stressing that unless it gets presented in court then it is not "evidence" as far as the trial goes.... relevant to deciding if Dunn should or will be found guilty.

If the neighbours have relevant testimony then I presume they will have to be called as witnesses... subject to cross examination. Publishing of an audio tape of a police interview seems to be for the purpose of animating the mob?

I would liken testimony not yet admitted at the Dunn trial (about what Dunn is alleged to have said or done), to the allegations by GZ's female cousin. Still brought up and discussed, but not relevant to the GZ trial (and acquittal).


The Judges proposed "timetable" from here (for tomorrow) did not seem to include much time for "Rebuttal" by State or testimony from Dunn himself. But it is just possible the State will try and introduce evidence such as audio, letters etc. In which case, I would expect the trial to drag on while they argue admissibility? We'll see.

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Just for fun I am listening to the neighbours....

I would take it with a truck load of salt. Seems to have had a "thing" about Dunn from way back, and the root cause of this personal animosity is not revealed..... reporting stuff like "insurance fraud" that never went anywhere... yet he stayed close enough to Dunn to see more and more over the years.

Stuff from 14 years ago? Hardly relevant. Not confirmed as true.. just allegations.

The allegation about Dunn asking for help finding a "hit man" sounds ludicrous to me. The neighbour clearly was not best friends with Dunn from way back.... did not like Dunn or get on with him, so why would Dunn ask him for help in such a matter? What is it about this witness that might lead somebody to think he would be able to organise a "hit man"?
If the allegation is that Dunn is guilty of hiring hit men to kill people... where is the proof of that
Did the "target of the hit" turn up dead way back then? I doubt it.

The chance of "Gladys Kravitz" and her husband turning up as a witnesses in this case is NIL.

Publishing audio of their unconfirmed allegations is designed to inflame a lynch mob.... I wonder if that is an acceptable thing to do (for "An Officer of the Court")

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The fact that the bullet holes in the rear door look to be "circular" and so straight at door and not at an angle is hard to explain if Dunn fired at a closed door from his driver door... towards the rear of a stationary car... the bullet holes would be at quite an angle. So to me that suggests that the door was open. Two shots fired through the door hitting Davis's leg/groin area. As he fell/jumped back in across the back seat the third shot hit and went across his body as shown.. entry below ribs, through liver, aorta to "upper" chest. It makes sense of autopsy findings to me, as well as the "no angle" of those three bullets hitting the door.

Expanding on this scenario (hypothesis).. Davis could have whipped out a shot gun from under the back seat as he opened the door. Seems a strange place to store a tripod, but regardless there is a handy "shotgun storage place" alongside the tripod. The teens had ample opportunity to remove shotgun and place in bushes or under a car at the plaza... at a pinch they could even have dumped it after they returned to Gate... but I think that less likely. All just "possibilities"... but NOT unreasonable to use in proposing a hypothesis. Enough in my mind to raise reasonable doubt that the Prosecution version of events is not the only explanation of the facts. Reasonable doubt... perhaps.... depends on how the jurors see it.

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Crump on CNN doing his usual song and dance about jordan Davis
http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/1 ... der-trial/

I will say before viewing this link...I have NEVER seen a murder accused do any good by taking the stand to testify... but I have seen a few who seem to make matters worse.

In this case IMO: Dunn should NOT take the stand

Putting Dunn on the stand: Pros and Cons
Andrew Capasso, First Coast News
12:31 a.m. EST February 11, 2014


JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The defense in the Michael Dunn trial is expected to call two witnesses Tuesday. Experts say one of them could be Michael Dunn.

Dunn is facing murder charges in the November 2012 death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis.

First Coast News Legal Analyst Richard Kuritz has been on both sides of court -- defense and prosecution. He said Dunn taking the stand comes with positives and negatives.

First, Kurtiz said the jury needs to get to know Dunn a little more before they go into deliberations.

"Based on the facts of this unique case, I think they want to hear from him, I think they need to hear from him, for him to say I was truly in fear," said Kuritz.

He said putting Dunn on the stand doesn't come without risk.

"He's a citizen," he said. "He's going to be going up against trained prosecutors that were trained to trip him up."

The jury hasn't heard phone calls Dunn made from prison, or letters he wrote. Kuritz said the prosecution can use those to show what Dunn said on the stand isn't the way he felt in prison.

"That's going to be tough for the defense and great for the prosecution if that happens," he said.

...more at link
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/new ... s/5384357/

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In fact in this case with all this potential "evidence" AGAINST Dunn... it would be daft to put him on the stand and so perhaps make some of it admissible.

I still think it would be a stretch to allow in testimony from ex-neighbours with an axe to grind from 14 years ago

Certainly not just an audio tape without the opportunity to cross examine them... and with such far fetched accusations... that could involve days in itself?

Some of Dunn's letters from jail? Perhaps... but I would argue even they are not relevant.


Anyway... I would not go there and risk the introduction of such evidence.

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I am convinced that there WAS a gun.... and they dumped/stashed it.

Sounds to me like Davis was HIGH on something as well... and generally an angry kinda guy (Thug)

I say ACQUIT

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I missed the trial today. Student doctors came to visit.

You missed a treat... Dunn did take the stand himself.

Skim thru the trial thread... or if you are keen there are links to YT video replay.

It's all over... and IMO Dunn Not guilty

However... These prosecutors will play the emotion over evidence card in closing statements and the verdict forms will be complex with all the combinations of lesser charges etc

My advice to Jurors is vote "NOT GUILTY" by reason of SD,... then you don't need to worry about all the messy lesser stuff.

I have posted a Verdict poll

As always the poll is just a bit of fun... guess if you want.

POLL: Dunn Verdict
viewtopic.php?f=102&t=1202

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Thanks, Rumpole. I went through the trial thread. I sure appreciate all the work you do to keep us all apprised of what's going on, .... especially when we have to miss part of the trial.

I agree, Not Guilty, by reason of reasonable doubt.

Great job covering the trial...tedious work, that.

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I agree too. Didn't like the cops telling Dunn some lies and expect some of the jury won't either. The least we should expect our LE to be honest and forthright. Dunn has told the same story since the get go. Both he and the overly hysterical girlfriend look like nuts with no remorse but there is reasonable doubt. The cops making a hap hazard attempt to look for any weapon does not help the case. Guy, thankfully, was just as bad as he was at the Zimmerman trial.

Dunn: I had every right to self-defense
Updated: 7:15 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 11, 2014 | Posted: 8:44 a.m. Tuesday, Feb. 11, 2014
By Stephanie Brown

Jacksonville, FL — Michael Dunn insists to this day the teen he shot at was armed and an imminent threat to his life.

“I’d never been threatened, let alone threatened with a firearm before,” Dunn says.

It was by far the longest testimony of this trial- several hours long. Dunn was the 12th and final witness for the defense, and the only one who spoke specifically to the justifiable use of deadly force.

Dunn says a lot of the decisions he made that night stemmed from a concern for the wellbeing of his fiancée, Rhonda Rouer. He says he was concerned she would get shot at the gas station, concerned she wasn’t feeling well in the hotel, and concerned that she was hysterical and just needed to be home with friends- part of the reason he left for Satellite Beach the next morning.

...more at link
http://www.wokv.com/news/news/michael-d ... and/ndKqR/

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IMO the prosecution playing of Dunn's LE interview HELPED the defence immeasurably.

It shows general CONSISTENCY with his subsequent testimony, yet not a rote parroting (rehearsed story).

Something that the Lynch Mob types never grasped in the GZ case was was the fact that people do change details when relating such events... it is natural. Especially in this case... Dunn was recently traumatised and lacking sleep when he gave LE interview. He did amazingly well IMO. Stuck to the "gun" story and "car door open"... despite interrogation tricks. And it is consistent with his version now.
The attempts to rebut/impeach were petty IMO. I am left in no doubt that Dunn was threatened by teens acting like thugs... verbally aggressive and threatening....especially Davis.... and I think they had a shotgun. As with GZ case there is more than enough "reasonable doubt" to question Prosecution "version"... evidence goes beyond that and actually supports (if not proves) the defence "version"

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Just watching Dunn''s testimony and I believe his story. When the hell is this nightmare of being charged with murder for defending yourself against thugs going to end. The parents of the violent thugs get rich and their victims go broke and are left with broken lives. Just today I saw one threaten to rape and "skull fu***k someone's wife...maybe someday his momma will get rich.

Guy is up now....he's spitting...not attractive. He's trying to get a rise out of Dunn. BAM just called Corey a liar.

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I recall when Guy first became know with the GZ case...some (female) posters thought he at least looked attractive. A bit of a hunk.I can't see it

I wouldn't turn gay for him

He comes across as arrogant and devious... playing on emotion rather than facts. Today he seemed annoyed... tried to bully and got more annoyed when it didn't work. He tends to be repetitive too.. makes the same (wrong) claim over and over... I guess expecting a different response? I think perhaps there could have been more objections to that, but then again... why stop the opposition when they are making an ass of themselves.

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