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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:23 am 
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Who is giving that quote at the daily mail? Was that from the 911 call? Or from the police report?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:27 am 
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Good morning! :)

The point I've tried to make is that she's not the only whose behavior was less than exemplary. The behavior of each contributes to the whole.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:39 am 
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Liesel - you are totally correct, blame may tilt one way or the other but there is plenty of blame to go around. This is a messy divorce, and that is considering before you add in all of the stress from the GZ/TM criminal trial. These are good people, they need to go their separate ways.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:47 am 
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Thanks, Hooson1st! Nice to cyber-see you. :) Very well said, and with so many fewer words than I have used to not make the point nearly as well. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:56 am 
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LittleLaughter wrote:
Who is giving that quote at the daily mail? Was that from the 911 call? Or from the police report?

They're both from the report, iirc. Here is the link if you'd like to check. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:09 pm 
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What in the world do these two have in the way of property that is so important to them? Property can be replaced with the exception of the two dogs. Possession is 9/10ths of the law. I wouldn't care about anything, but hiding them.


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Hiya, mbtb! That makes perfect sense to those of us not involved. However, in divorces people will fight vigorously over the stupidest, most worthless things. I think MOM used a teaport, or some dishes as a hypothetical example of how petty some of this stuff commonly is. Also, those who don't have much often will place a higher value on it than it's really worth. Because it's all they have, it's priceless to them, kwim? The motivation in a divorce is commonly not letting the other party get away with more than they already have; both sides feel very cheated; etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Don't forget to check out the rest of RT!

Here are easy ways to do it:

The two links I use the most here are located near the top of each page. On the right side under the date is View new posts. On the left side under the date you last logged in is View active topics.

Of course, you should also check the Board index for topics of interest. Something there may not be very active now, but if you show an interest, it's likely others will too. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:26 pm 
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liesel wrote:
Hiya, mbtb! That makes perfect sense to those of us not involved. However, in divorces people will fight vigorously over the stupidest, most worthless things. I think MOM used a teaport, or some dishes as a hypothetical example of how petty some of this stuff commonly is. Also, those who don't have much often will place a higher value on it than it's really worth. Because it's all they have, it's priceless to them, kwim? The motivation in a divorce is commonly not letting the other party get away with more than they already have; both sides feel very cheated; etc.


Of course you're right. When I got divorced I just left. Nothing was worth my life fighting for in my case.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:34 pm 
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It's all just so pathetic to me. Sure, most divorces are not neat & tidy and most involve both parties doing things they never would have thought they'd reduce themselves to.
My problem with all of this is not the shortsightedness of the arguing they did, the videoing, even the crassness of having a girlfriend (possibly). Stupid & immature to be sure. My problem is that Shellie went to the same media that systematically helped to destroy her & George. A media that is hell bent on aiding those in power to take away our constitutional rights to defend ourselves & to own a gun. I have no sympathy for anyone who would aid them in that regard.


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I disagree, respectfully! :blush That George's behavior contributed to the whole. He is not the reason it was blown into a media circus complete with the most ridiculous press conference in history. All of that was Shellie's doing. It would be rare in a messy divorce for one party to be completely innocent, but this is not the issue. Their divorce isn't even the issue. What was already contemptuous at best, was made into public fodder, and Shellie had every expectation of what would result from her first appearance in an interview with the book peddler and her 911 call on Monday. She knew it wouldn't be just another domestic violence call from the jones' next door. This involved George Zimmerman and she knew the implications.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:54 pm 
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I think you could be right. She knew about another woman though IIRC before she took to the air waves. She filed for divorce over that. There is nothing worse than a woman scorned.

He only stayed with her a couple of days after the not guilty verdict and left. She wasn't even with him when he walked out of the courtroom. He didn't even hug her after the verdict. I think she was hurt and angry. I don't think she saw that coming.


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LittleLaughter wrote:
I don't think I give much credence to anything the daily mail reports as fact.


Over there, it's often referred to as the Daily Fail.


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mbtb See, you have common sense, perspective, and probably had a lot more maturity than them. (I don't know how old you were then.)

In addition, from your description, I'm guessing (because it's unfortunately much too common) you mean your ex may have become (or had already been) violent. Some are unfairly forced to do that - give up everything they've ever had just to get away; at times leaving family and friends behind, just to get away. If my guess is correct, then you had an impetus SZ didn't have - remember she said in her interview that GZ was never violent with her. She had no reason to fear for her life from him, nor he from her, as far as we know.

Otherwise, if by your "life", you mean getting control of it and moving forward without him, then even more kudos to you for being able to see that without the additional fear for your life.

I think we've all known or heard of someone who just seemed to go totally off of the deep end in a divorce situation. I've read multiple cases where attorney fees ended up being greater than the total value of the marital estate. And that's where the parties hadn't been subject to a lynch mob including the media for 16+ months, and lost their way of life maybe forever through no fault of their own.

I don't recall if any of those cases involved infidelity, but that is incredibly hurtful and crazy making alone. If some haven't known someone that happened to, I think most have at least seen it represented in movies.

I wouldn't wish what those two have been through on anyone. I'm glad they were able to keep things together during the investigation and trial. I think that was important for both of them. I'm so sorry they weren't able to keep things together afterward. This is also petty, and I know it, but I hate to give the Trayborg™ the satisfaction, kwim?

There is no way I'm suggesting they should have stayed together to spite the Trayborg™. That's not what I mean at all. I just am sorry they've both lost so much at the hands of a lynch mob reminiscent of the French Revolution.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:18 pm 
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I was 25 and had a two year old. I had no where to go except my parents. No job at the time. I took my son and pets with me. I just knew, when arguing over property, one could be killed or just injured. Also no abuse involved in the marriage. Went to court in Florida, no fault, and the judge awarded custody, child support, and visiting times and it was over. Ex moved to Maine and didn't go to court.

I got some things after he left for an apartment and got a job.

In Florida, infidelity won't matter. No fault.


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IMO, Shellie should have stuck with "her day" to get items out of the house. Remember, Shellie was the one that moved out.
Shellie "knew" that George's day to retrieve his items was on Monday; however, Shellie decided to use that day, too. I can imagine that George finally went to the house because the day was quickly going by and he wanted time to get out his things...otherwise, can you imagine him asking for another day?

But in all of this divorce scenario, it's notable that Shellie has had SUCH close contact with Conner. Whether Shellie sought out Conner or Conner sought out Shellie...we don't know...but we do know that Shellie is actively reporting to Connor.

Why?

Money? Shellie made it clear she is $100,000 in debt. Is Conner paying Shellie for this information?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:30 pm 
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She may need money now. We don't know, but I would think GZ would at least have to pay half that debt they ran up together, but who knows.


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murderbythebook wrote:
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I was 25 and had a two year old. I had no where to go except my parents. No job at the time. I took my son and pets with me. I just knew, when arguing over property, one could be killed or just injured. Also no abuse involved in the marriage. Went to court in Florida, no fault, and the judge awarded custody, child support, and visiting times and it was over. Ex moved to Maine and didn't go to court.

I got some things after he left for an apartment and got a job.

In Florida, infidelity won't matter. No fault.

Well, Bless your heart! You were much, much wiser than your years.

Yes, Florida is a no-fault divorce state. However, if GZ used marital funds on his mistress that amount could be considered in the equitable distribution of assets. That's if they leave it to a judge to decide things.

My point wasn't about the legalities though; sorry I wasn't clear. His infidelity has had a terrible impact on SZ, as it would to most anyone in her position.

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I agree. It had to be a horrible impact on her. She stuck by him and this is what she gets from him. As soon as he is acquitted he leaves her. She must feel terribly used.


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IMO GZ is a jerk. He is selfish as SZ said. He needs to stay out of the lime light and drive off into the sunset with whatever woman he has who doesn't mind messing with a married man.


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