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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:13 am 
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LOL! First, I thought that I was being original. Then, I thought that JQ used the same silly bird to connect the dots. Then, I thought you had saved it to your computer.

I can't decide to be embarrassed or not for being so technology deficient.

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Well I need technology challenged gals... so I can show off.... :24

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:55 pm 
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Proof it was George Zimmerman screaming


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Proof it was George Zimmerman screaming

(Snipped for brevity)


As soon as I heard a description of the injries and lack of injuries of both parties, it was clear in my mind who screamed for help. The dispute about who is screaming for help can be easily solved by using plain old common sense, and we don't need the FBI to test anything or consult any expert. Who is it that was injured in this altercation? George suffered several injuries. Trayvon only suffered one injury, and it was of the type that would not allow him to do much crying out for help after he was shot. It is pretty obvious George was getting the worst of the encounter and had a need to cry out for help. Trayvon was not being injured during the fight and thus had no reason to cry out for help. Simple reasoning and common sense identifies the screaming individual.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:46 pm 
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Hi Seeing eye :28

You are quite right. Sadly "common sense" seems to be rare in some places.

I relied to this vid at CTH... amongst other things pointed out that having heard a lot of Georges voice in interviews now... I recognise his voice... in the same way I recognise people's voices on the phone, after just a word or two.
To me it is clearly George.

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At the hearing 12-11-12 3 extra hearing dates set aside
Start 9:00AM, all day set aside
8th January, 2013
5th February, 2012
5th March, 2012

Some tentative dates have been set:



Hearing: 12-11-12

Cut off to list expert witnesses and general witnesses: 3-27-13 (30 days before immunity hearing)

Immunity hearing: 4-26-13 (limit 45 days before trial)

Cut-off to file motions: 5-10-13 (30 days before trial)

Cut-off to file short order motions: 5-31-13 (10 days before trial)

TRIAL: June 10 2013

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No decision in Seminole 'stand your ground' claim
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
7:08 p.m. EST, December 10, 2012

On the eve of the next court date for second-degree murder defendant George Zimmerman, the judge in that case on Monday heard testimony on another defendant's claim to immunity from prosecution under Florida's "stand your ground" law.

Zimmerman says he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense Feb. 26 in Sanford, and is expected to request a "stand your ground" hearing in April. Prosecutors allege he profiled, pursued and killed the teen.

On Monday Circuit Judge Debra Nelson heard testimony in the case of James Fraleigh, a Casselberry man who is accused of striking a neighbor with a shovel. Fraleigh says he did so in self-defense after the neighbor, Dylan Wells, attacked him.

The hearing Monday ended without a decision, after testimony overran the allotted time. It will continue on Thursday afternoon.

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George Zimmerman case: Judge denies motion to take him off GPS

Zimmerman is not allowed to leave Seminole County except to visit his attorney's office in Orange County.


By Jeff Weiner and Arelis R. Hernández, Orlando Sentinel
12:32 p.m. EST, December 11, 2012

George Zimmerman must remain on GPS monitoring and stay in Seminole County as he continues to await trial a judge ruled Tuesday, rejecting the second-degree murder defendant's latest request for greater freedom.

At a wide-ranging hearing, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson heard argument on an array of issues, including defense requests for greater access to evidence from state and federal investigations into the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin.

On the bond issue, the defense argued Zimmerman has been well-behaved: Since his current, $1 million bond was put in place, Zimmerman has not violated its terms, a probation officer testified during the hearing.

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I can't believe how long all this is dragging out. Another 'hearing' in April? (for the Standing your Ground defense) Good grief. What if we don't live that long?

Speaking of living, I just hope George lives thru all this and beyond. I fear for his life, especially from the venom of JQ. I think they could incite a murder....

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Well I hope it doesn't take this case as long as it took to finally exonerate Lindy.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:39 pm 
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I CAN actually see with this case WHY it is taking so long... not that I approve.

The simple fact of the matter is that the prosecution are doing it on purpose.

NOTE!!! Yesterdays hearing was largely about DISCOVERY from the State.

there is absolutely no reason fror the State to have NOT released most of the discovery coming through now within weeks of the first court appearance!!!!
I see there would be pieces still being investigated... but not many

Until the State releases ALL discovery the Defence can not sensibly do depositions... we have already seen them have to re-do a deposition as new facts are revealed.
The Prosecution has done a lot of Depos... but some of the critical ones can not be done sensibly.

The State is STILL playing games with key evidence..... and the Judge is being a silly old woman as far as behaviour goes, as well as in fact.

I really don't understand WHY the State is allowed to be still HIDING evidence this long after the PCA???

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BUT THE REPORT SAYS : “The information in this report contains information about a JUVENILE that may be privileged or confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.


I believe that the document is referring to Trayvon Martin being the juvenile in question. Not W8.

I am not saying the issue of W8's age is not in question or the "inconsistencies" of Crump or BDLR to factually state that her age is "Fill in the blank" because frankly, I think that Crump is doing his level best to deter MOM from his interview with her and BDLR is totally complacent in that action.

As far as BDLR goes, he is in for a penny and in for a pound.

There are two things that the State is withholding information on. The phone and W8. My thought is that the phone was not thoroughly examined because they couldn't risk finding information that would help to exonerate GZ. Same with W8.

They needed an arrest. The only real difference between the investigation of the SPD and the SAO was W8. They had to use Sybrina Fulton for voice ID in the PCA because Tracy Martin wasn't sure and they knew there would be problems with it.

Crump used his magical powers to "push" this witness's testimony. And only after the NEN/911 calls were reviewed with City Manager, Mayor and family. And her statement was taken by BDLR on April 2 after Corey was firmly in place as the one in charge of the investigation and the Grand Jury was canceled.

He can produce W8 for an interview with Matt Gutman/ABC but not to SA Wolfinger? That is laughable for an Officer of the Court. Was he promised the change in SAs by Biondi? Why else would he hold out a witness? If the case hinges on W8 and it collapses, he has no one to blame but himself. He is sooooo NOT helpful to any investigation.

And frankly, I would think that the Prosecution is happy to have the focus centered on W8 and not that freaking phone.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:22 pm 
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Hi Deb :28

( BTW there is a live streamed Internet concert on this evening.. if you are interested)
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=677

I think there is a lot of instances of the State not obtaining evidence that might be exculpatory... I am no lawyer, but I imagine that is against the rules.. if not illegal.

I fear it is WORSE than that... they have found exculpatory evidence that they have then chosen to not pursue - again an offence I would think.

And Worse than worse... they have exculpatory evidence that they are not revealing. Such as LE witness to Tracy denying TM was the one crying out, perhaps also info about phone(s), DeeDee, Crump et al. Ping logs? Full Tox report on TM.. etc etc etc... God knows what really.

This case is really a total farce.... with prosecutors playing games, hiding evidence etc... Defence having to guess what the State might have, point out what they SHOULD have.... and it increasingly looks like the Judge Nelson is playing dumb (or is dumb).
She is trying to run hearings like a coffee morning with everyone "on trust" as officers of the court.. singing "Kumbaya" and working things out with a heart to heart chat.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:33 pm 
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From CTH.....

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-263621

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December 12, 2012 at 11:25 am

Over at TalkLeft, Jeralyn does a great job of deconstructing the state’s case against GZ. GZ’s defense is a textbook self defense case. There is simply no evidence that contradicts his self defense, and a significant amount that corroborates it.

What makes GZ’s position so strong, is that Jeralyn does not even look at character. Takes it completely off the table. From my mind, you cannot look at crime without looking at motive and character. And the The more you compare TM to GZ, the more obvious this case comes. Race has NOTHING to do with character,

Trayvon’s social networking posts are not the worst part of it by far. They don’t paint the picture of the greatest kid in the world, but also not the worst. The most negative posts are that Trademark was possibly a small time dealer (nobody should care he was a user), possibly punched a bus driver, and Treehouse’s brilliant discovery that he was a LEAN user.

Trayvon’s school records are much much more damaging to his character. His school records were purposely sealed by Scheme Team (for good reason), but the little bit we do know paints the picture of a very bad kid.
Suspended three times the last 7 months from school. Last suspension for 10 days.
Attendance record terrible at school. No extra curricular activities or sports.
InSession reports that there is past violence in his school records.
TM’s grades have never been reported, but considering the above, and that Team Skittles have not released them, they are most likely pretty bad.

Tracy Martin, unwillingly of course, has also not painted a rosy picture of his son.
Leaves his son unattended and unsupervised days/nights at a time. His Mom did this too.
Multiple facebook posts that his son was out of control, and that he didn’t have the time or energy to invest.
When he didn’t know where TM was, he thought his son would show up in the back of a police car.
First place they thought to call, was not the police,but the juvenile detention center?

If the unfortunate series of bad decisions and bad luck did not take place that night, Trayvon would have had his whole life to transform into a great person and positive member of society. I do not think for a second Trayvon did not have potential. But the simple fact of the matter is that at 17, he was out of control and simply a bad kid. Attacking GZ, because GZ eyeballed him was completely in character of TM.

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New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
6:04 p.m. EST, December 12, 2012

SANFORD – After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times.

And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.

Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly-released evidence list.

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It is strange but that is how I used to view it, too. I thought at the most GZ was guilty of manslaughter, never Murder 2. That is until the evidence started coming out. I still don't understand how anyone can objectively look at the injuries, the witnesses, the photos, the autopsy report and still conclude that Zimmerman is guilty of anything but defending his own life.

CTH & SundanceCracker...his big piece on MOM. When he was brought onboard, he was light years behind. One of Zimmerman's previous "media advisors/lawyers" had tossed him under the bus by questioning his mental health in the press. And speaking of the press, where the media was concerned MOM was in another universe. It took a couple of months before MOM was able to take a pro-active stance rather than a reactive one.

It hasn't been but a couple of months where the tide is starting to turn in favor of GZ as far as Trial By Public Opinion. I don't know that that wouldn't have been possible without MOM at the helm. The addition of Don West is the perfect completion.

I did not agree with SDC. It is his opinion and he is welcomed to express it on his blog.


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I don't think anything like enough BLAME has been attached to MOM for the revocation of GZ's bond!!!!!

IF anybody should have been arrested after the second Bond Hearing it should have been MOM.

It was his job to advise his client on declaring the paypal account.. and it was apparently MOM who advised George and Shellie to keep quiet about it.

And all the suspicion over the passport?????

MOM had the damned thing in his briefcase. Lester DID SAY he accepted that and "The passport was not an issue"... yet even since then Lester and now still BDLR (and it seems Nelson) are STILL punishing George over the passport?????

MOM also had control of the paypal funds within days... THAT should not be an issue either... other than as evidence at some disciplinary hearing for MOM.

I does look like MOM has finally grown a pair.... or perhaps he is just pretending.. based on West's example.

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This is one thing that has always bugged me. In one bond hearing, Judge Lester said the "missing" passport was a non-issue (because it had been in MOM's briefcase), then the next bond hearing, Judge Lester says the missing passport shows Zimmerman was planning to abscond (with all his supporters' donations). That makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost as senseless as the W8 debacle.


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From GZ Legal Site

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Addressing Concerns About Cyber Attacks and Doxing

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on 13 December 2012.
We feel a responsibility to make a public, affirmative stance against any and all incidents of cyber attacks or “doxing” to anyone associated with this case, any one suspected as being associated with this case, or to anyone who contributes to the conversation about this case.

We have heard that some witnesses, or possible witnesses, and supporters on both sides of this case have been the victims of cyber attacks or doxing (the act of publishing personal documents about the individual on the Internet). With a case of such intense scrutiny, we are in uncharted waters regarding how the case is discussed publicly, and the online accessibility of individuals associated with the case. As the defense team, we have taken a well-documented proactive stance on how we manage our digital media presence. Our policy regarding digital media makes us particularly aware of the online conversation regarding our case, and we attempt to adjust our online presence as we see the need.

We first became aware of these concerns while we hosted the George Zimmerman Legal Case page on Facebook. Part of the reason we discontinued our presence on Facebook was because we were uncomfortable being in any way associated with people engaged in such practices and we refused to provide a platform where this practice could take place.

We understand that there may have been such actions directed at individuals who may be associated with Witness #8. In an October 19 hearing, the defense team requested a Subpoena Duces Tecum for the social media accounts of Witness #8; however, we intentionally did not disclose her name or any possible Twitter handle out of respect for her privacy. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles). If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns -- an opportunity they have yet to take. We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized?

We are taking this opportunity to say that we do not condone or encourage such practices; and anyone who wishes to make a beneficial contribution to this case must know that they do a considerable disservice if they engage in such practices, and we unequivocally condemn the practices mentioned above.


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ABC News Zimmerman Video Re-Visited (original air date 3/28) The Associations and Agenda Become More Clear
Posted on December 13, 2012 by sundance

As you may remember, on March 29th we were reviewing another “exclusive” ABC release of George Zimmerman at Sanford Police Dept. when we noticed something odd, the video was/is actually a recording of a monitor. Initially we thought that meant it was not an official release. We were wrong. ABC was given a digital Hi-def copy from the outset.

We now know that ABC was the first to posess a digital copy of the actual CCTV recording. But they chose instead to use a lesser quality, and far lower definition, video.

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