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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:05 pm 
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I didn't mean to sound critical.... just sometimes stuff is being sorted out... work in progress.

For example... stuff about the phones... is there an extra phone?.. the one at the scene NOT being TM's phone?
I kinda think the phone IS the one TM was using... and there is some confusion over a warrant to get phone records and NOT another phone.. so I am waiting to see what comes of that discussion

Please post whatever you find.. I might miss stuff.

I think it is important that the truth about TM's "character" come out because it is a key point of the prosecution case (and Crump narrative) that he was an innocent child who would not have attacked GZ... that is key to the case.. if that is not so, then the case falls apart IMO.

Also the truth about Tracy and other players is important since they are witnesses as to the events of that night... their movements and TM's movements are part of the time line of events. There are already some doubts and conflicting versions. as you say the TRUTH is what is needed.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:55 pm 
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Its difficult for me to phathom that Trayvon would walk around with a phone with a heart sticker back in Miami. Maybe out of desperation in Sanford.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:09 pm 
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Happy to critique other forums... but trying to stop (myself especially) doing it as part of this case thread. :24

Not a big deal..... but I will move some stuff to the "Introduction" thread here
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Tomorrow will provide more tibits for the lynch mobs to pick apart and find more reasons why GZ is guilty. I don't mean to imply there will anything to justify their thinking, just they will find something, hang onto it and blow it out of proportion against GZ. I won't be watching Dr. Phil, but I'm sure there will be plenty of comments on what is said. If the show is anything like the teasers, it doesn't appear it will be a fair and balanced program. I wonder if Dr. Phil will question his Friday guests the same way...

As far as Tracy Martin, who's the mama?? He was spending a lot of time with Sybrina...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:45 pm 
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Yes... Dr Phil Show will be Fuel for lynch mob torches :24

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(I can recognise certain people in that smiley mob) :31

I would not watch and add to the shows ratings.. but I will try and find a copy online to watch later.
"Keep your friends close... but your enemies closer"

I'd like to see what they are referring to ... :24

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
Yes... Dr Phil Show will be Fuel for lynch mob torches :24

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I would not watch and add to the shows ratings.. but I will try and find a copy online to watch later.
"Keep your friends close... but your enemies closer"

I'd like to see what they are referring to ... :24


When Dr Phil interviewed the Anthonys I refused to watch. After seeing snippets of it online I made a vow to myself never to ever watch that show...no matter what! So I will not be watching this particular journalistic spiel.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:16 am 
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Zimmerman defense looking for new clues on Trayvon

Lawyers for George Zimmerman, accused of killing Trayvon Martin, have gone into attack mode as they prepare their case.
Posted on Monday, 09.10.12
By Frances Robles

George Zimmerman’s defense lawyers will subpoena Facebook, Twitter and Miami-Dade schools in a widespread pursuit of clues to suggest that Trayvon Martin could have thrown the first punch on the night he was killed, a sign that attorneys are going into attack mode in preparation for their case.

A series of notices were sent last week to Miami-Dade Schools Superintendent Alberto Carvalho and the principals of the schools Trayvon attended, advising that subpoenas for copies of the slain teen’s academic and attendance records would be issued in 10 days’ time.

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Defense lawyers argue that if the defendant’s social media sites and school records were reviewed by prosecutors, it’s only fair game for Trayvon to undergo the same scrutiny.

O’Mara said he requested school records because he is looking for a more thorough explanation to the teenager’s suspension and any hints that he had behavior problems.

“Is there anything relevant in those records? I have no idea. I know I have to look,” O’Mara said. “In a case like this that’s so high profile, everything becomes relevant. The history of those involved — including those who have passed — becomes relevant.”

Documents posted on the defense website show notices went out on Sept. 5 to Carol City High School, Michael Krop Senior High School, Norland Middle School and the school district main office. The notices contained copies of the subpoenas, which will go out after the 10-day warning period.

The subpoenas demand disciplinary records, suspension notices, class schedules, attendance and tardiness records, FCAT and SAT test scores, report cards, as well as any information about whether Trayvon belonged to any clubs or sports activities.

The Miami Herald reported earlier this year that Trayvon had been suspended from school three times, including once just before his death in an incident in which he was caught with a baggie of marijuana residue. A school police report obtained by The Herald showed Trayvon was also suspended in October 2011 for writing on a locker.

The report said the police officer who searched Trayvon’s backpack looking for the marker found a bag of jewelry and a screwdriver described as a “burglary tool.” Trayvon’s parents claimed they had no knowledge of the jewelry incident.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/09/2 ... rylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

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Two words for Dr. Phil and they are not "Let's Dance."


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:53 pm 
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packy wrote:
Two words for Dr. Phil and they are not "Let's Dance."


REALLY! PACKY1 :13

To quote the recent speech by Clint Eastwood....

"He can't do that....to himself"

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:29 pm 
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FWIW
Dr Phil site shows that the Ostermans are on tomorrow and Tracy and Sabrina on Friday
http://www.drphil.com/shows/

Tuesday - September 11, 2012
A Dr. Phil Exclusive: Friends of George Zimmerman -- “The Most Hated Man in America” -- Speak Out
Alicia Martin is involved too?


Friday - September 14, 2012
Trayvon Martin’s Parents: The Questions They Want Answered
It looks like Crump will be present too.

No sign of Brandi Green anywhere?
Perhaps a separate show?
Tracy martin: The Women I have bonked?
(Trayvon's multiple Mommas)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Jello333 (From the Threehouse) posted a polite attempt to communicate at the Trayvon Zone:

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Thanks to those who responded nicely
But to be honest, Allia is halfway right... I already know the answer to my questions. But I am NOT coming here to troll. Far from it. I disagree with most of what I read here, but I'm just trying to figure out WHY you all believe what you believe. Based on much of what I'm reading, it seems to me you really don't know some of the actual facts of this case. When I first heard about this case, my first reaction was the same as yours: George was a flat-out racist, wanna-be cop who was patrolling his neighborhood just LOOKING for trouble. When he saw the little black kid, he took pleasure in gunning him down and then pretending it was self-defense. And then his buddies on the police dept helped cover it up. That is what I believed... at first. But since then I've come to realize the truth is about 180 from what we were originally (and are still occasionally) fed.

So anyway, here, I'll answer my own question: There is NO evidence that George was told to stay in his truck. There is nothing on the NEN that shows that, and no other person (including cops) have made an official statement to that effect. In fact, it can be argued that the dispatcher unwittingly ASKED him to get out of the truck. At one point he says, "Just let me know if this guy does anything else." (he says that twice) Then later, after GZ says, "He's running", the dispatcher asks, "He's running? Which way is he running?" It is only at that point that we hear the door open and he gets out. And a few seconds later he starts quickly walking in the direction Trayvon had gone. Once the dispatcher realizes that, and asks if he's following, George says "yeah", and the dispatcher says, "We don't need you to do that." (which by the way is NOT an order, and the dispatcher has no legal authority anyway) To this, George replies "ok", and within a few seconds, he STOPS. That is clear from what we hear on the NEN call. For the next nearly 2 minutes he talks calmly to the dispatcher, OBVIOUSLY not involved in any kind of "following" let alone a "pursuit". What happened in the minute or so from the time he hung up till the time the altercation started, we don't know. But what we DO know is that from the time George lost sight of Trayvon to the time he finished the NEN call, Trayon had WAY MORE than enough time to get home... if that was his intention. And on the other hand, from all the actual and circumstantial evidence we have, it's clear George did NOT want an up-close confrontation.

Alright, I figure this will get me banned, even though I'm trying to be polite and only stating what I believe is the truth and the facts. But rather than just attack me, it would be nice if you can debate the points I've made here, rather than just continuing with you've been doing so far. If even just one of you learned anything from what I've said, then this was worthwhile.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:11 pm 
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diwataman - from Treeehouse is also blogging about The Zimmerman case.
(He does some good analysis of evidence, surveillance videos etc)

His latest blog is worth reading.. some background on Trayvon.. so not for Trayvon Zoners


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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/09/10/1 ... -seek.html

Regarding reports like the one above, in regards to O’Mara & West seeking out information on Trayvon Martin’s character, I believe the question really comes down to this; What did Trayvon think of George and could he have purposefully with intent to harm gone back to where he ran from in order to assault George? And most importantly, why?

Here are some of my thoughts on the matter…

...read more at link
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/09/ ... ssessment/

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I see the Trayvon Zone is erupting tonight...

I'd rather read the CTH and diwataman blog and of course here. Much better to discuss facts and evidence. Some people seem to believe the more demeaning adjectives they can attach to GZ, it somehow proves they are right, regardless of the evidence.

So Dr. Phil show was postponed until tomorrow. Other than that, I don't see anything new happening today.


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The comments at The Trayvon Zone and at Treehouse are a laugh a minute

I have commented in "Introduction" thread.. if you want to add anything :24

http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=14615#p14615

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Breaking News.... a Cockatoo is being questioned

Will the Cockatoo turn out to be a stool pigeon? :13

....more at link
http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=529&p=14623#p14623

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GZ Defense Team tweet

Osterman's book and TV spot, although well-intentioned, are ill-timed and done without input and NOT approved by the defense.

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Rumpole wrote:
GZ Defense Team tweet

Osterman's book and TV spot, although well-intentioned, are ill-timed and done without input and NOT approved by the defense.

I pretty much figured that all along.


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Yes. But I think they need to state it.

From what I can gather.. the Dr Phil show went as expected.. possibly worse.

Osterman bumbling through his version of events contrasted with Alicia crying.

If public opinion matters it was a disaster.

And on Friday we get the Crump narrative via Tracy and Sabrina *sigh*

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Yep, sounds like the Osterman's Dr. Phil interview was a controlled ambush as predicted. All the help GZ has received from his so called friends has been far from helpful. I hope this is the end of all interviews and statements by anyone other than his defense team.

Of course, Friday's interview with Martin/Fulton and team, will be taken in a totally different direction by the esteemed dr. I don't get it, how can so many distort the facts of this case and how can so many fall for the narrative hook, line and sinker. To me, it's painfully obvious what has been going on from day one...


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Personally I don't think the Dr. Phil interview was all that damaging. It wasn't good, but it wasn't bad.

The BigPoi aka trixiemay is twitting for everyone to notify Homeland Security and get Osterman fired. The Putz.

I sure would like O'Mara to ask Sybinia how she drove TM to school every morning when he happened to be living with his stepmom. I'd also like to know how he was suspened for tardiness if she was driving him...lol


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