http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.co ... and-fired/

There is a great guy, Peter Hyatt who trains the F.B.I. about listening to the words people say. VERY important and much to be learned from that. I once said to him "I never listen to anything Casey Anthony sayd, knowing it is ALL lies." He wrote to me "But you should. There is always some truth intertwined in with their lies. They can't help it. You just have to listen carefully ... and find it."

http://www.statementanalysis.com/lying/

A little about Peter Hyatt and his Statement Analysis. I find this all fascinating. Remember that name.
I do not have this book ...

Not sure he is into this case much - yet! I have learned so much from him. Used to
write on another place TCD till one person said "I could have said what you just said in 4 sentences." Peter
is a teacher of "Statement Analysis", his profession. F.B.I. and others... He teaches and explains as he goes. *Just his generous style.*
With that comment... he left. Some of us "got it" - and I wrote and told him so. He is on BNN radio Sundays I think. Happy Dance.
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http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimm ... 00-details

Seriously, WHO IS this GUY?

The plot thicken - ummm sickens.

Also while the Bond Hearing proceed, some more "Discovery" was released by Prosecution to defence.

Of course we already have Lester's ruling that such discovery will not be released publicly for "up to" 30 days.

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http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A

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Interesting, Joni, thank you for sharing. I might get his book too. I am open to this idea about statement analysis yet I do believe that not everyone fits the bill that is generally accepted. This and the body language/demeanor interpretations are good for use as guides but that's as far as I could go with them.

Hi Pack!

I agree Pack - good as guides. I think that's what L.E. use them all for. It is all good I guess, knowing Psychopaths can fool Lie Detector tests. I think that is why they are not "accepted" in court.

Wondering if a decision is coming down today from the bond hearing for Z.?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... _blog.html

I hope this will work. It's an AMAZING interview of G. Zimmerman.
Go to where the link is 911 calls (scroll to 16:42 ...) IGNORE that scroll to.

DO HEAR the whole thing. Like a mini trial that we surely are in for ... amazing!
Fascinating stuff!

I don't know it it is plausible to expect him to remember just exactly when he was being supposedly smothered by TM. And when you hear your own voice on tape sometimes you don't recognize it or so I've heard people say. And I sound really funny on tape. They said something in the article about how come they're not hearing TM, yet the 911 call didn't begin and end with the whole fight as far as I could tell. It had to have already started for someone to call the police right?

Yes, exact pin-point would be tough - at that time of extreme chaos.

Our own voice dances around in her own skulls. WE sound different on tape, but nobody else does. Everybody else sounds the same. I learned this when having to learn to sing. I thought playing piano was quite enough. NO. Club Owners want 2 fer 1. Piano and voice.

Ha - some are saying we ARE hearing Trayvon on the 911 calls. I thought it sounded like boy, not man?

I just don't know what this is all about. He is said to be somewhat of a Bully, yet sounds soooo incredibly meek...


Pack ... agreed.

I guess all fights start - - with people standing up. That part was missed.
People came in - in the middle looks like. Shame ...

Does anyone know if those injuries to Z.'s head could have come from his head being repeatedly slammed against "cement"? Would they not have been more serious? Could those cuts have come from a few punches by T. with the iced tea can - and Z. hitting the ground with the back of his head, IF both were on the ground fighting?

Did the police have their sirens on when entering the townhouse complex? They were entering exactly as Z. shot T., I have read in many places. If they did have them on... there wasn't any need then for G to shoot T. as the police were right there! T. too, would have heard them...

Whistle While You Work Ha with me, it's Wonder While You Work

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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-police-v ... -shooting/

Head wounds bleed profously. There are many small blood vessels there I think. I saw another video and they said there were 2 small cuts. Do they look to be 1/2 to 3/4" long?

I think this above video, was shot within 30 minutes I think of the killing. Z. was cleaned up, and then taken immediately to the Police Station.

No bandages, not EVEN a band-aid. I really don't think they were serious. And if banged into concrete, a fractured scull? Dizziness? Concusion? Nothing? I think they would like to blow this out of proportion. It surely would help his story "self defense" - some physical evidene. But look at it - above...

What do you all think?

Now there is a witness #9 who gave a statement that Z/ doesn't like black people. Then we have the fact I guess that he "mentored" black children. BUT I had heard that was part of his court ordered sentence... no jail ... only community service or whatever they called his "punishment"? I think one thing was a Drunk Driving Course.

I just don't know about this killing ... I don't... but something just doesn't feel right to me about this.

Why do people TRY and mimimise GZ wounds??????

CLEARLY he was badly injured.

A brutal assault IMO

Anecdotal nonsense about what people think in relation to their own experiences is crap.
You don't THINK the wounds are serious Joni? Well I do...VERY serious...
I take it for you just a few more wounds would be required? That is silly.



And anyway......

The severity of his injuries are somewhat of a RED HERRING.

The LAW does not require you put up with a certain amount of injury before defending yourself?

The case would be EXACTLY the same if GZ had shot before sustaining ANY injury.

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UPDATE #31 George Zimmerman VS. Trayvon Martin — “The Next Blow”
Posted on July 3, 2012 by sundancecracker

Exerpts







.....more at link
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... next-blow/

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Never would ignore you ... so will try to answer.

I guess if the EMT's etc. didn't think it was serious enough to do anything about it except clean it up ...
I thought how serious can it be? No bandage, band aids, no hospital trip. That is usually what you do to a kid who
has a fall.
Clean it up, and even they usually get a band-aid.

He has a hard head?

Somehow, I just don't trust this guy or his motives, actions, stories. Not sure why. Maybe the never ending things I am
learning about him ... doesn't seem wholesome to me. He seems on the other side of the law, not on L.E. side - where he wants
to be.

For those who downplay GZ'd injuries.... have anecdotes of how they "battled on" with much worse injuries......

Me thinks they have a touch of the "Monty Pythons"....

"It's only a flesh wound....." Right?

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Joni you STILL miss the point.

GZ was beaten up... that has NOTHING to do with any anecdote you have? Why persist in it?

It is FAR WORSE than a childhood scrape.. stop denying the evidence.

GZ injuries are WELL DOCUMENTED in photos and witness testimony and in a medical report.

It is just plain nuts to keep trying to talk them away.

The jury may well evaluate in terms of when they fought on with both arms and legs missing... and see it as a "flesh wound" ... we'll see.

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I forgot about his nose!