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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:05 pm 
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Prosecution say.. this is not a SYG hearing... they would welcome that.

Repeating nonsense about GZ chasing TM down?

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No idea when Judge will make ruling?

Today I hope?

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Judge hears arguments at George Zimmerman bond hearing
Updated: 10:59 a.m. Friday, June 29, 2012
Posted: 5:13 p.m. Thursday, June 28, 2012

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SANFORD, Fla. —

Prosecutors and a lawyer for the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin wrangled Friday over the money George Zimmerman received after he was charged with second-degree murder.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:27 pm 
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George Zimmerman bond hearing ends without decision
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
12:11 p.m. EST, June 29, 2012

SANFORD – George Zimmerman was back in court today with a request that he again be granted bail in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The hearing, which lasted almost three hours, often better resembled a trial than a typical bond hearing. Judge Kenneth Lester didn't immediately issue a ruling.

Zimmerman's defense introduced a wide-array of evidence and testimony, including medical records and Zimmerman's own statements, in an apparent attempt to underscore weaknesses in the state's case.

Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara then began his argument, telling the judge that the evidence doesn't show a "grand conspiracy" to hide money in advance of Zimmerman's first bond hearing.

He said Zimmerman "should have done something" when his wife testified falsely about the couple's finances. However, he said his client has never missed a court date, isn't a danger to the community, and should be granted bond.

"I would ask that you let him out on the same $150,000 bond," O'Mara said. He went on to call the second-degree murder charge in the case "improper" and "very weak." Zimmerman, he said, has a "very strong argument of self defense."

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:22 pm 
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STATEMENT REGARDING JUNE 29 BOND HEARING FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN
ON 29 JUNE 2012.

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In today’s hearing, as part of the defense team’s presentation on the Motion to Set Reasonable Bond, evidence was introduced to the court to show the weaknesses in the State’s murder case against Mr. Zimmerman and to support Mr. Zimmerman’s consistently maintained position that he acted in self defense. Further, we submitted evidence through the testimony of a forensic expert verifying that all the money in question has been properly accounted for. The Court will review the evidence submitted, and we anticipate a decision on bond will be made early next week. The defense requested that the court reinstate the original $150,000 bond

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Boy Rump you put a lot of work into this.

I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it all. I thought George's Dad was believable. It'll be interesting to see how who did the screaming will be decided.

I like O'Mara and think he's ultra competent. He's good on his feet. He knows his stuff. That mean ole gruff prosecutor was pretty good too....a lot of passion, but I think he came across more angry than passionate.

I sure hope the Judge lets GZ out of jail. He may think George's not alerting his atty to his wife's lie is very serious but it did put George on the spot. I hope the Judge has some mercy because if he doesn't, George could be in jail for a year or more?

I thought it was funny that the prosecutor's first statement to the Judge was that he didn't want to try the case today....then he proceeded to try the case today.... :12

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:06 pm 
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Thanks :86

I have YEARS of experience doing trials and hearings.

I used to do it for an ungrateful bunch at another forum.

I did pick up on what you say about the evidence... but moved it to the discussion thread

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Video Of George Zimmerman's 2nd Bail Hearing
(Seems to be missing first part)

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It is interesting that Z.'s lawyer got so much IN today, that really had no business being said at a Bond Hearing. He was "trying the case *before* the trial - to the future Jury Pool" - Jane VM said. He "hi-jacked" the trial.
All the injuries, para-medics testifying at a Bond Hearing??

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I think I meant she said "Hi-jacked the Hearing" - not the trial.
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"Hijacked" is an emotive term to use

O'Mara is simply doing his job.

The JUDGE had no business including a statement in his "Revocation of Bond" "that the case against GZ is strong"

It most certainly IS NOT.. IMO... and the judge has not SEEN the evidence yet.. he should not be airing an opinion in an official document. Especially as it is widely known... the Probable cause affidavit was flawed. (Intentionally?)

So.... the judge opened the door for evidence to counter his MISCONCEPTION that the evidence is strong.

Exculpatory evidence that Cory SHOULD have included in PCA.... if only she had..... I do not think there would be a trial pending at all. GZ would be free.. as he should be.

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Jane VM has a re-run on now - - if you want to see it.
I had so many interruptions here, par for the course... I will watch it again.


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Joni wrote:
I think I meant she said "Hi-jacked the Hearing" - not the trial.
Sorry ... :34


I don't think you can ever be forgiven for this infraction. :31 :12 :31 :12

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I certainly missed the Judge saying the prosecution's case was strong. I agree, that's totally out of order. It's like he's already judged George guilty and the trial will simply prove it. That's just stupid and disappoints me. I really like impartial judges who just rule according to law to keep themselves impartial.

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Not sure if Z.'s lawyer said that the prosecution case was weak?
Maybe that is why the Judge said that? Balancing act?

I am sure there is SO much evidence that we haven't seen yet. Maybe he has seen it?

You won't FORGIVE ME then? :32

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:04 am 
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I certainly missed the Judge saying the prosecution's case was strong. I agree, that's totally out of order. It's like he's already judged George guilty and the trial will simply prove it. That's just stupid and disappoints me. I really like impartial judges who just rule according to law to keep themselves impartial.


It was in Judge Lester's Motion to Revoke Bond

(Links to court documents posted several times in Document Thread)

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... 20bond.pdf

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It was quite a brilliant piece of lawyering for O'Mara to pick up on that (silly) thing that Judge Lester included... quite legitimate for him to enter all that he did, even at a Bond hearing, because it was in answer to Lester's ruling.

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Okay, so George was "charged" with a prior crime says the judge. So what? Does that make him a flight risk? Why didn't the judge stick with the purpose for the trouble on that day, George's silence when his wife lied about their money? Was George concerned that his wife could be charged with perjury if he spoke up or alerted his attorney? Even if the two of them conspired to hide that money, George has been punished enough. Making him stay in jail for another year is absurd, especially since even convicted murders in Florida can stay free until their appeals, which is just totally absurd.

After reading the judge's motion, I will bet someone a nickel that George will have to suffer in jail until a trial. I hope I'm wrong. Just from watching the judge during this hearing, I don't like him.

Joni, okay you're forgiven this time. Just don't let it happen again. LOL :54

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I'm not keen on Judge Lester either.

But you have to accept that an experienced Judge is competent. (I know that has been disproved big time in the CN trials, but generally speaking). Luck of the draw which one you get.

Unless there is an obvious flaw with this Judge, changing Judges is not going to happen.

If all else fails... poor decisions by a Judge can be remedied by appeal.

I STILL think this case should not get to a trial.

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George Zimmerman: Bond Hearing, Final Arguments
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 07:53:03 PM EST

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I think O'Mara did a pretty good job. He got in a lot of evidence about self-defense. The prosecutor mis-stated some evidence, which the Judge will easily see -- such as that Witness 6 never changed his account as to who was on top during the struggle -- all of his statements say it was Trayvon on top.

What won't be apparent to the judge now, but will be eventually, is that the state doesn't have "witnesses" who observed a chase. The only witness it has disclosed claiming at one time to see a chase, W-2, later retracted, saying she only got a glance and didn't have her contacts in. He didn't even attempt to claim he has a witness who could say who was chasing who -- he said it was his opinion George Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon.

Prosecutor de la Rionda did give out the crux of the state's theory: that Zimmerman wasn't truthful when he said Trayvon tried to smother him, because if Trayvon was smothering him, he wouldn't have been able to scream. (He ignores that Zimmerman said Trayvon removed his hand before reaching for his gun and that Zimmerman said he began crying out for help before Trayvon tried to smother him.) He produced no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's father it was George who was crying out for help.

Prosecutor de la Rionda also admitted yesterday that Trayvon struck Zimmerman. He seems to think it was justified because Zimmerman had profiled him as a criminal. He also thinks Zimmerman's injuries weren't serious enough for Zimmerman to fear serious bodily injury. And that bald people bleed more than people with hair.

What de la Rionda never addressed: Even if Zimmerman was the aggressor, how he could have extricated himself from the beating or Trayvon's reaching for his gun. So long as Zimmerman's fear was reasonable, and he couldn't extricate himself, he was entitled to respond with lethal force. All these profiling and hot pursuit arguments look destined for the red herring pile.

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On the other hand, the Judge said he didn't expect at the April 20 hearing that Zimmerman would stand up and say his wife was lying. He said he could have tugged at O'Mara's sleeve. Nor did he mean on April 20 that Zimmerman would have to testify at yesterday's hearing. He merely said he would give him that opportunity and he absolutely had a right not to testify. Keeping someone in pre-trial detention for what may be a year for failing to tug at his lawyer's sleeve seems excessive, to put it mildly.

O'Mara said Zimmerman is looking forward to testifying. Although he didn't say whether it would be at a stand your ground hearing or trial, it seems to me he's leaning towards filing a stand your ground motion.

The state said again yesterday it wasn't going to try its case at the bond hearing. It has never filed a motion asking that Zimmerman be detained based on the Arthur standard that proof of guilt is evident or the presumption great. It has never tried to meet that standard.

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At times, it sounded like O'Mara was making a record for appeal, and the Judge was complying, allowing him to introduce evidence he didn't really care to preserve the record. Maybe they all know how this is going to turn out.

At least if bond is denied, O'Mara will have made a good record for his habeas petition, unlike last time, when he was blindsided. And this time, there will be a written order if bond is granted or denied.

Listen to the closing arguments, and take a look at the law on bail in the links above, and let us know who you think made the better case yesterday. I think O'Mara did -- I just think the judge may have wanted more. Even so, I think he'll grant Zimmerman bond, probably on the same conditions as before.


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