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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 3:53 pm 
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Good point.
I do hope that the Preliminary Hearing (if case lasts that long) will include at least some of the psychical and forensic evidence. Let's hope that includes blood samples from time Freddie was admitted into hospital.
The death (and autopsy) was performed a WEEK after the events, alleged to have caused Freddie's death, so will not show drugs in his system at the alleged critical time. There wont be, for instance, analysis of stomach contents at that time.. which may have shown remnants of any drugs (and packaging) swallowed prior to death.

I agree with Dman... a lot happened to Freddie AFTER the ride in the paddy wagon. There is at least room for "reasonable doubt". Freddie's injury could have at least been exacerbated during ride in ambulance, transfer on gurney to trauma ward, surgery itself, after surgery treatment for a week.

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Veteran Baltimore Deputy State Attorney Skewers Marilyn Mosby’s Political Charges Against BPD Officers…
Posted on May 6, 2015 by sundance

Page Croyder spent nearly 21 years with the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office before retiring from that agency in January, 2008. After moving to Baltimore and becoming a city prosecutor, she served as a trial attorney, Chief of the Charging Division, Chief of Personnel, and Deputy State’s Attorney.

Today she appeared on CNN to discuss an Op-ed she wrote for the Baltimore Sun:

Fmr Deputy Baltimore State’s Atty: Mosby’s Police Charges ‘Incompetent at Best’



...more at link
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Police charges in Freddie Gray case are incompetent at best

Baltimore Prosecutor Marilyn Mosby's actions in the Freddie Gray case are either reckless or incompetent.

Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's "quick" and "decisive" action in charging six Baltimore police officers a mere two weeks after the death of Freddie Gray reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.

Alan Dershowitz, the noted defense attorney, sharply criticized her for using her charging power as "crowd control." John Banzahf, a George Washington University law professor, predicted the eventual dismissal of most if not all the charges. The breadth of the charges, Ms. Mosby's overreaching, is all-too-obvious.

Any prosecutor interested in the truth and in justice would have used all the tools at her disposal to find them. Ms. Mosby ignored them. She has one of the most experienced homicide prosecutors in the state of Maryland as chief of her homicide unit, but did not ask him to investigate. She had the police report all of one day before filing charges, her mind already made up. And she failed to make use of the grand jury to gather, probe and test the evidence before a group of average citizens.

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Video Evidence Emerges Of Freddie Gray Running Into Building During Chase, Then Doubling Back Before Arrest…
Posted on May 6, 2015 by sundance

Baltimore police have continually said their initial reasoning for suspecting Freddie Gray of suspicious activity was his immediate running from police when bicycle officers made eye contact.

However, no-one has revealed he ran into a building.

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State Attorney Marilyn Mosby referenced the chase in her charging details:

Mosby Said:
    “On April, 12 2015 between 8:45 and 9:15 a.m., near the corner of North Avenue and Mount Street. Lt. Brian Rice of the Baltimore Police Department while on bike patrol with Officer Garrett Miller and Edward Nero made eye contact with Freddie Carlos Gray Jr.”

    “Having made eye contact with Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray subsequently ran from Lt. Rice”.

    “Lt. Brian Rice then dispatched over departmental radio that he was involved in a foot pursuit at which time bike patrol officers Rice, Miller and Nero began to pursue Mr. Gray”.

Mosby then said:
    “Having come in contact with pursuing officers, Mr. Gray surrendered to Officers Miller and Nero in the vicinity in the 1700 block of Presbury Street“.


What Marilyn Mosby didn’t say, nor did any media report, was that Freddie Gray ran south past the point of arrest, into a building, then exited the building doubling back on this path, before running into officers Miller and Nero.

Thanks to the painstaking reconstruction work of Diwataman who is going through all the available CCTV footage [camera #2014], you can clearly see Freddie Gray in this BPD video running into a building:

...more at link
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Building a possible place for Freddie to have thrown evidence... did cops search?

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So Freddie Gray was running around at lightning speed, then a few minutes later when the cops finally caught up to him he is screaming out in pain and it appears that he can barely stand up.

To me, that indicates that he was most likely injured before the police even got him in their custody.

Perhaps Gray fell down a flight of stairs inside the building, or perhaps he jumped out of a building window at some point. Something along those lines.

Several medical people(including Dr Michael Baden) have stated that it would have been virtually impossible to generate enough force inside of the transport van to break a human spine. They say that his type of injury requires an extraordinary amount of impact pressure. Supposedly, his injury is more typical for someone in an extremely bad car wreck and not wearing their seat belt.

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Prove this statement in court under oath:

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“Having made eye contact with Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray subsequently ran from Lt. Rice”.


Was Freddie perhaps looking at Lt. Rice's mouth, nose, ear, or forehead?


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Again.. I think you are being unrealistic.

Cops chase down perps who run... indication of guilt.

What do you mean by prove? If Lt Rice testifies to that.. it is evidence... from a witness. Juries decide what to accept as "proof"? I daresay a smart-ass prosecutor on cross.. MIGHT raise the questions you do:
"I put it to you Lt Rice, Mr Gray was in fact looking at your mouth and not you eyes"
It is a silly point to be hooked up on.... the jury may well regard the prosecutor as desperate.

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Paws, it matters because 8 of the charges filed by SA Marilyn Mosby specifically state there was no justifiable cause to question Freddie Gray, and there was no justifiable cause to arrest.

EIGHT charges are contingent upon this principle.

What this video clearly shows is there was MORE THAN ENOUGH justification to question Freddie Gray because of his suspicious running etc without even any provocation which would have led him to run.

Secondly, the legality -or lack there of- of the knife is the issue in the second aspect of justifiable cause to arrest Freddie Gray.

If the police had both justifiable reason to question him (stop frisk), and justifiable reason to arrest him. Then EIGHT of the charges against the officers disappear completely.

For two officers, Nero and Miller, that means total dismissal; and arguably that eliminates the charges for Rice.

That only leaves 3 officers with charges (Oddly all three black officers – Porter, White and Goodson) who are charged based on the trip in the transport van.

That’s why it matters.

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Marilyn Mosby -VS- The Baltimore Six – The Agenda Continues To Surface As The Case Implodes…
Posted on May 7, 2015 by sundance

In our previous research outlines we have shown how State Attorney Marilyn Mosby manipulated her life story to gain election success and then specifically advanced her intention to seek justice for Freddie Gray “by any means necessary“.

She and she alone created the determination for charges via ‘direct action’. No consultation with anyone except her inner circle, her husband and a closed staff of activist sycophants.

Toward that end we initially identified six false bricks, specific aspects of her intent, SA Mosby laid upon a foundation she is building – cemented entirely with an activist agenda.

Brick seven was the false presentation of the Knife being legal; it wasn’t. Brick eight was the claim that no aid was rendered; it was. Brick nine was the claim of an unjustifiable stop and frisk; it was entirely justified, as yesterday’s EXPLOSIVE new video showed.

Today we are going to show Brick ten, and Brick eleven. Eventually this entire fabrication will collapse.

BRICK Ten – “Mind Made Up” – Evidence is now surfacing that Mosby had pre-determined to file charges before the Baltimore Police Department even gave her their investigative finding.
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BRICK Eleven – “Changed/Modified M.E. Report” – Research is also supporting a claim made by an anonymous source on the morning of Mosby’s announcement. A claim that Mosby’s office put political pressure on Medical Examiner, David Fowler, to change his report from cause of death “undetermined”, or “accidental”, to a specific cause of “homicide”.

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Boystown.. you are beginning to get on my tits.

Freddie Gray was NOT arrested for jogging.. let it go.

He was a known drug dealer/scumbag. who ran from cops.. they chased.. LEGITIMATELY.

We dont know what they saw in regards what Freddie was up to, but they found a switch blade and arrested him for THAT.

WTF do you want cops on patrol to do? Turn a blind eye? Not question suspicious people, especially known crims?

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Overview of area from where Freddie was sighted to where he ended up. Of course these paths are just the straightest lines to get from point to point. I would think it likely that he took a path that was significantly longer as he was probably weaving between homes and buildings along the way trying to lose the cops.


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Wait Boyntonsu are you serious? I thought you were playing devil's advocate for comic relief?

Good Gravy, Freddie Gray was a known criminal, he had been active in his criminal behavior, he was spotted by officers in an area known for drug trafficking and he took off running after making eye contact with an officer. Freddie Gray didn't live to bitch about the consequences of his bad actions, sometimes criminals are the laughers, the runners, the jokers sitting around with a blunt regaling their friends with tales of their stupidity, sometimes they end up in jail, and sometimes they end up dead. Every action has a consequence it seems poor Freddie made many bad decisions.

Again even Mosby is not questioning the pursuit of Freddie and that should tell you something.

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Have prosecutors overcharged again?


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DOJ Announces Launch of Investigation Into Baltimore Police Department….
Posted on May 7, 2015 by sundance

Least surprising announcement ever…

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WASHINGTON DC – Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch has decided to launch a federal investigation into whether the Baltimore Police Department has engaged in a “pattern or practice” of excessive force.

Lynch’s announcement about the Justice Department’s probe — the latest in a string of municipalities that are being investigated by the federal government for civil rights violations — could come as early as Friday, according to two law enforcement officials.

A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment Thursday night.

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What is odd is the ME in question rules undetermined at nearly double the average of comparable municipalities across the country.
FTA: ” According to documents revealed by The Real News, over the past ten years the medical examiner has ruled over 2,348 deaths undetermined in Baltimore alone, a rate of roughly 10 percent of all deaths in the city, nearly double the average of comparable municipalities across the country.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?opt ... ival=13768

Yet Fowler is so sure Gray’s cod is homicide. Fowler better hope he can back that up in court.

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Freddie Gray Case Seems To Be Unraveling - Baltimore, MD - The Kelly File


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Why Marilyn Mosby must go
Exclusive: Jack Cashill on Baltimore prosecutor's history of 'putting race above justice'
Published: 1 day ago

The answer as to why Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby must go is simple enough: She has consistently shown herself unwilling or unable to put justice before race.

She has also conspicuously failed to grasp the idea that “justice” is due the accused, not the mobs howling for the heads of the accused.

Last Friday, Mosby applied her legal and racial populist ideas to the real world in charging six Baltimore police officers in the death of the late Freddie Gray.

Before a cheering crowd, Mosby showed that the mob has more hold on her than the law. “To the youth of the city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment,” said Mosby. “Our time is now.” Our time? Who, one wonders, comprised the “our”?

Her gift for racial demagoguery was not obvious when in June 2013 Mosby announced her intentions to challenge incumbent Democrat Gregg Bernstein for the job of Baltimore state’s attorney.

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In regards the question of putting seatbelt on Gray.....

A seat belt rule requiring cops to get in that confined space with perps is NUTS.. and unworkable. NOBODY in his right mind would do that very often.. certainly not ever for multiple perps or single belligerent ones. The risks are just too high.. of being assaulted, spat on.. bitten.. HIV and all that. High risk of a perp geting hold of officer's weapon.. especially if more than one perp in the compartment. Blame the system and equipment provided. I imagine that in the normal course of events perps might chose to belt themselves in? I doubt that even.. most if not all would be cuffed.

IF there is to be restraints used now.. I dont think a rule requiring cops to belt each perp in will ever work. They would have to design some restraining bar (like on roller coaster rides etc).. and re-equip all paddy wagons... that aint gonna happen very soon.

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