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I'll betcha money that it didn't cross Trayvon's mind that George had a gun. Really....does George look like the type? Does he look imposing? Frankly I think he looks a little wimpish.

Although I don't like it when people 'create' senarios out of their head, here I go...I can see Trayvon being asked what he's doing and taking offense and doing something about it. I really want to at least hear what George has to say about what exactly happened. I just have a hard time believing that George was out on the prowl looking for someone to murder.

We need a trial don't we. I'm anxious to also know if George's story has changed from what he said to the authorities in the beginning.


Jane

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I still can't see the need for a trial.... but if we have one, for heavens sake can't they do it soon?

Best trial coverage in town will be right here at Random Topics... I know a thing or two about covering hearings and trials... its my forté

I shudder to think what trial coverage will be like amongst a lynch mob hell bent on a cheap shot posts every few seconds

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Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee fired in wake of Trayvon Martin case

Sanford’s city manager ended Police Chief Bill Lee’s employment, citing the adverse impact the chief’s handling of the Trayvon Martin case has had on the city.
BY MEREDITH RUTLAND



The Sanford police chief who failed to arrest George Zimmerman immediately after the fatal shooting of Miami-Dade teen Trayvon Martin four months ago — and brought national attention and derision to the Central Florida city — has been terminated.
The announcement was made late Wednesday night by Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte, who said in a news release that Police Chief Bill Lee “has been relieved of his duties” effective immediately. The chief had been on paid leave.
Bonaparte implied the firing stemmed from the impact of Lee’s handling of the Trayvon Martin on the city of Sanford.
“I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city,” the manager said in the statement. The decision was made after a meeting earlier in the day.
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In a text message to The Miami Herald late Wednesday, Ben Crump, attorney for the Martin family, commented on Lee’s firing.
“It’s our understanding that Sanford’s elected leadership felt that it was in the best interest to discharge Chief Lee in order to move on and rebuild community trust. We agree and stand by that decision and will do whatever we can to cooperate with any pending internal investigations of the PD and in helping the city of Sanford through this purging and healing process,’’ Crump wrote.



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http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/20/2 ... rylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

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I have been waiting for the trial to try to form an educated opinion as to whether or not this shooting should/could have been avoided. I have been willing to give Zimmerman every benefit of the doubt for now.

However after the calls were released I have changed my opinion a little. I found no remorse in his or his wife's voices or conversation about the death of this young man. It was all about hiding money and buying vests and talking in code. I must say it really turned my head a bit. I will still wait for the documented evidence of course.

But I think if I had just taken the life of a young man, I wouldn't be so concerned with all the hiding and transferring money and all of the "secret" stuff going on. I would be needing counseling to deal with my grief over what I had done.

Yes, thanks Packy for that link.

So Lee was fired because he didn't find and bring George in immediately? So Police Chiefs don't get to make decisions anymore until the citizens of the city give their approval?


Jane

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Can someone tell me what time of day this whole incident occurred between Trayvon and George?


Jane

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On TRU TV ...showing Z. walking L.E. thru it all - at the site.
Maybe will show it again - I hope. I was in the kitchen!!

Thanks Joni

All of GZ staements and eveen a video of the re-enactment are available at GZ Defence site.

Also spreading around the net at all the main news outlets

http://gzlegalcase.com/


George Zimmerman's Statements

on 20 June 2012.

The Court has acknowledged that Mr. Zimmerman’s statements are to be made public. As these are the statements of our client, we are filing a Notice of Reciprocal Discovery. Below is a copy of our Notice of Reciprocal Discovery and the associated files.

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I have watched the video re-enactment!

Why in heavens name is there a trial at all?

The re-enactment is being uploaded to YT.... here is one clip.

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LYNCH MOB IN DENIAL!


As you would expect... Cognitive dissonance is a bitch!!

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I know, I know. But just wait. They're going to demand a conviction too!

Ok, I just found out this 'incident' happened well after dark.


Jane

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George Zimmerman answers lie detector questions
By Arelis R. Hernández, Orlando Sentinel
2:38 p.m. EST, June 21, 2012

While hooked up to a voice-stress analyzer, George Zimmerman answered two crucial questions to help verify his version of his fatal February encounter with Trayvon Martin.
"Did you confront the guy you shot?" the Sanford Police Investigator William Ervin asked.
"No," Zimmerman replied.
After a few control questions, Ervin asks: "Were you in fear for your life when you shot the guy?
Zimmerman doesn't hesitate, "Yes."
Facing a blank wall in a Sanford Police department interview room, Zimmerman answered nine test questions showing no signs of uneasiness about 24 hours after he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to an hour-long video released Thursday through Zimmerman's legal defense website.


.....more at link
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... nity-ervin



Video: Zimmerman lie detector interview
George Zimmerman is interviewed by Sanford Police using a voice stress test. Zimmerman was being interviewed about his involvment in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

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I like voice stress tests, and lie detector tests. My friend back home was one of the pioneers of voice stress tests.
This was maybe in the 80's? Or 70's. Not sure. We met through our animal work. He was into saving golden retrievers. I was into saving all of them - not any specific breed.

There is only one thing bad about them, and that is probably why they are not admissable in court. They are just used as a tool to help L.E. to see if they are on the right track I believe. That reason is some Psychopath's can fool the lie detector test. I am not sure about voice stress. Nothing ever is without strings, it seems.

I believe all of the above to be true... from all that I remember.

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Clearly, the lynch mob have a fixed OPINION of what happened.... it seems they bought the initial narrative....

They will not be convinced by any old evidence stuff.....

The Way It's NOT

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I guess it's easy looking from the outside in. We are not emotionally involved here. It wasn't our boy. But he was a couple's boy.

A trial - no trial?
But - if we could put ourselves in Trayvon's parents shoes for a minute ... would the shooters version be good enough for us?
The shooter told his story ... done deal. Then it's over?

Trayvon can't speak and tell his side/story. I guess the closest we have to his side of the story, is the evidence. Don't we want to hear his story through all of the evidence? I am sure any family involved would want to hear what happened to their loved one, through the evidence. We all have been around enough to know that defendent's lie, and some are VERY good! George has started already, and got caught. That's the way it goes ... always ... it seems.

Then a jury can decide. Hopefully, then put this thing to rest. I think I am just saying I would like a trial. (Took me forever to say it. )

I see these two photos above. DISGUSTING - NOT FAIR at all!! And their point is to stir up racial unrest?
RIOTS in the streets all over the country? Whoever did this should be punished!

But... there is no "Other Story".... no TM version... only bloggers "versions" based on nothing other than their imagination.

They have it all worked out.. down to GZ grabbing TM's shirt etc... with absolutely no evidence of any of it.

GZ's "version" ties in with ear witness accounts, the phone calls... even DeeDee if you put any value on what she says... he was open and forthcoming..... I see no reason to pursue a case against him.... other than the Crump team plans to make big bucks later suing the ass off (ultimately) the citizens of Florida.

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Joni and Rumpole...I see both your points.

If Trayvon were my son I'd want proof positive that Trayvon had a big hand in his own killing, like starting the fight and threatening George's life. For this reason I want to see a trial so the best evidence can be shown.

Now George....what if he's telling the truth, then he had no choice but to defend his life by shooting Trayvon, because Trayvon being the 'bigger' man (so to speak) could have just beaten George to death or used George's own gun to kill him.

What to do??? Have a trial.

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Yes... I can imagine it from a Parents point of view.

I have a son.. who was 17 a while ago....we lived in Singapore the year he was 17.... he used to skulk around at night (wearing a hoodie at times).
As it happens he was arrested by Singapore police (who carry guns, and do use them). There the comparison ends.

But.... unfortunately LIFE does not always provide absolute proof of everything.

Sadly even REAL murderers get away with it... there simply is NO EVIDENCE. Look at all the cases that people get wound up about... they "KNOW" who did it... but the evidence is not there... typically the body is never found.
And... I don't believe that is the case here. GZ gave those interviws, long before he knew what witnesses saw and heard... IMO he is being honest. LE thought so too... they let him go!!!!
A GJ (IMO) would have let him go also.
What we are left with are trumped up (over the top) charges for political (and financial) reasons.

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