You reckon?

I see the Lynch Mob all thrashing around today (at another site).... more BLOOD IN THE WATER

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R - where are the sharks?

rtmember Hi!
I wonder if lawyers do that, acting like things aren't important to convince the future jury pool?
Some of them do that I think, put up a good front. Hoping others will follow suit?

Peter Pan is Pay Pal ...? Saying on HLN.

The trial (if there is one) will be about the events of Feb 26th.

Where GZ seems to have been attacked by TM and shot him in self defence.

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Wouldn't it be awful if there is a trial and it's scheduled for sometime in 2013? Can you imagine all the frustration....

One thing I like here is the friendly opposition. It's good to get all points of view actually because we can all change our minds if convinced. It's just good to know what's in other people's minds about this case because it's an important one. I'm 'leaning' toward George being vindicated but I'm open to learning a whole lot more of the truth. I don't want to be more 'for' George just because others are so against him...I gotta keep focused on the facts and more evidence will hopefully help.

Everyone is suffering from the evidence not all being released yet. Hence sometimes our objectivity gets replaced by subjectivity in our opinions. To be fair to Trayvon, I do hope the case goes to trial because all the evidence will come out and will be debated in detail. Nothing hidden.

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rtmember Hi! What a nice comment.
Me too - so glad R. runs his show, as he does! I have seen other places where people attack people, personally. for not agreeing with them. Not here!!
So good here ... civilized and comfortable. (We should tell all our friends!)

Much as I dislike this case, and everything about it, I am afraid it is here to stay, I think.
Wouldn't suprise me if a trial came in 2013, OR 2014 or so? Of course it was Bozo who taught us about stall after stall after stall, taking forever to get to trial. I guess he needed more time to "learn" on the job. Maybe not here with Zimmerman's lawyer who is a pro, I believe.

Can there/will there be real justice in FL? FL scares me now. Gads, that's ALL I want... the truth and justice, whatever that is.

O.T. watching on In Session now bout the Jerry Sandusky trial. My old home town. Camera's can't go in there, but complete covereage all day. Good people come out and report - all thru the day. Drawings too, showing the PAIN on the boy's faces as they testify. He is RIVITED to the boy's testimony ... not interacting with his lawyer as most do, they said. Hmmmmm

Thanks, Joni and Jane

I know I come across as pro GZ. But... I have no personal bias. I don't know the guy..

I am certainly not anti TM... I don't know him either... and regardless its a HUGE tragedy that his young life ended.

I read a lot at other places and my posts here are in that sense a reply to some quite rabid "lynch mob" posting elsewhere.
People I have seen described as "Wilfully Ignorant"... the label fits they keep repeating the same WRONG information, even after it is shown to be wrong... and they invent much of what they write and don't seem to have the wit to know the difference between a baseless "What if...." and reasoned discussion and theories.
GZ portrayed as an evil murderer... and even beyond that.. Obese, a socio-path, a drug abuser, drunk, racist etc etc.... it would be laughable if the case were not so serious.
That is not to say there could not still be discussion.. reasoning posters countering what is said... but sadly one side of the discussion is restricted, if not shut down, by biased admin who were sucked in by the initial false narrative. Sadly people who claim to Quest for Justice use power, threats and bullying to ensure a biased discussion that is unlikely to find justice at all.

The evidence so far is scant.

We KNOW the initial narrative of a racist hunting down a child on his way home from the shops is false.

What we have is an idea of GZ's version (Though NOT GZ's own statements)... he was attacked and shot TM in self defence. As I keep saying.. GZ version is of course up for scrutiny... but I see no evidence that refutes it... and no sign of where any such evidence may come from? There wont be a TM version.. obviously.. so any alternate version to GZ's must be supposition on the part of the prosecution. And remember the onus is on THEM top prove a case.... they might do a "Baez" and invent a fantasy.. but one would hope that a jury will require that version to be supported by evidence... this time.

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R - this place is like a breath of Spring. Thank you. I am new here, but thank you too, to all your members.

I think over here in America for some dumb reason, the defense is allowed to say ANYTHING they want in Opening Statement, AND - - doesn't have to have any proof? We saw that with Bozo. One trick all defense teams have too, is throwing EVERYTHING up against the wall, hoping - some of it will stick. Their job I believe is to create "reasonable doubt" and it only take one juror doesn't it - for a Hung Jury I think.
YET, the prosecution has to prove all it states. A hung jury would have been better in the Anthony case than what happened - the acquittal I think. Till the day I die, I will NEVER get over that verdict.

As more and more information is made public ... it gets more and more interesting, I think. We are involved - now.
Darn! You too, R.

For 23 years, my world was with Lawyers. Ex - was one, and all friends were. A Philadelphia lawyer!

Just wanted to say that's how I picked up some things, over those years...

Free Again (Another breath of Spring)

WOW! This IS a hot one. Some friends who weren't "for" Zimmerman, got knocked off sites. Zapped. Can no longer write there.

Has there ever been a case like this that has closed down some sites, refused to handle Zimmerman Articles, and zapping people off their sites - left and right?

What IS it about this case? I really don't know why it has gotten so ugly. Maybe because some insist on making it personal, and don't stick to the facts? Not here - thankfully. This is wonderful - no matter how we think. Always respectful of others on here. I know I am.

A little travelling ? lol

Gonna move some posts again...rather than ban people... I'll just keep hiding their posts

When "off topic" runs into a few posts... I move them to Daily Discourse... if anybody is looking

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Great post. I believe every word you have written here to be true.

Equally great post.. very perceptive of you to recognise my great post

To paraphrase my hero, Marvin the Paranoid Android (HHGTTG):

"With a brain the size of a planet.... it gives me a headache just trying to think down to the level of some wilfully ignorant posters"

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Here is a good general overview of events.

I would dispute some of the details.. but it's still a good summary.

I don't thing GZ went as far down from the "T" towards Brandy's Unit.... I think TM went all the way back up the path to confront GZ at the "T" (more or less)

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Does this guy have more information than others don't have?

He *knows* they met "very near" where Trayvon was staying? How does he know that? (What IS "very near"?) Yet the death took place 300' away from there - back where the body was found, near the beginning of where the cement path starts? 300' away is a good distance. How did that happen... they were running and fighting?

No he has same info... he has just put forward this scenario from the evidence... times on GZ call to cops and what DeeDee says.

I actually disagree with some details as I say....

"Very near" as in that walkway between houses.. is NOT in dispute? It's where the body, GZ, and all the other bits and pieces were found. I guess it depends on your definition of "very near"... and I DON'T want to debate that.

It certainly wasn't the next street over or a mile up the road.

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I heard a clip on FOX News today that had the audio of Trayvon's dad reporting Trayvon missing and it said that was 24 hours after he noticed him gone. But I thought that Trayvon was dead for 3 full days before anyone reported him missing. Anybody know the truth of the matter?


Jane

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If I were a 17 year-old youth I could easily get pist and run back after some jerk who I'd think was profiling me if I got mad enough, so although we don't know who actually confronted who right now I'm just saying I could see TM going after GZ. And who was on top? In a fight both could be in either place at one part or another so that's questionable. And then witnesses now changing their stories causes me to wonder just why. I sure don't think this is a slam dunk, but I'm afraid with the racist implications someone might kowtow.

Interesting blog article about Angela Corey.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/40 ... ts-threats

This article discusses how TM's mom reported him missing and how that convlicts with what TM's father said in a People interview.

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon ... im-missing

Thanks for the link, Packy.

There does seem to be a lot of opinions that Corey is an overzealous prosecutor (to say the least).

I always try and think my way into these case scenarios... I can easily imagine doing EXACTLY what GZ did. I have never carried a gun (not allowed in NZ) but apart from that bit I see nothing I would not have done. Perhaps ending similarly if I had found a loose brick to fend TM off with? Who knows.
Yes... I would have got out of my truck to try and see where the guy was going... especially since I had LE on the phone and was in the process of directing them to where they could find the guy I was reporting.

And I have known a lot of 17 year old boys.. who would have gone after some dude... I do think that is very unwise in a place where people can and do carry guns?

If, on the other hand... I was just out to hunt down and shoot somebody (I guess) I would NOT first call the cops... have them minutes, maybe seconds away before shooting the guy... out in the open where the arriving cops, if not neighbours were likely to see me.

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