There are already thousands of posts about what might be in them.....and...why aren't they available NOW!!

My understanding of Judge Lester's ruling was that the defence have 30 days to check, redact before public release... so we may well not see the latest documents for a month yet

But that wont stop people discussing what is in them... perhaps 30,000+ posts about it between now and then

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Regarding Mr. Zimmerman’s Phone Conversations While in Jail

on 15 June 2012.

On Monday, we will be filing a motion to seek a clarification from the Court about the order regarding Mr. Zimmerman’s phone conversations while in jail. Our motion will contend that the majority of the phone calls are personal and irrelevant to the charges against Mr. Zimmerman or issues surrounding the next bond hearing. Moreover, the public release of these phone calls could jeopardize the privacy of friends and family of Mr. Zimmerman who are unrelated to the case. We will not be objecting to the release of phone calls that include conversations relevant to the the bond hearing or the charges Mr. Zimmerman faces.

http://gzlegalcase.com/

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I have added the bank mentioned to the interactive Google Map of the area... providing more security cam footage

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=21 ... 35,0.01929

M & I Bank
1381 Rinehart Road
Sanford, FL 32771

Screen Shot (Not interactive)

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That bank looks a Loooooooong way from 7-Eleven?

No idea what security cam footage will show?

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Fox Tampa Bay news report suggest the bank surveillance is of SZ transferring money... but the discovery says bank surveillance from 26 feb? the day of the shooting?

From Discovery page 3:


More evidence given to George Zimmerman defense team
Posted: Jun 16, 2012 3:40 AM
Updated: Jun 16, 2012 4:22 AM

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35 ORLANDO) -

More evidence in the Trayvon Martin case has been turned over to George Zimmerman's defense team.

On Thursday the prosecution delivered evidence to Zimmerman's defense team which includes 7 compact discs containing hundreds of pages of documents including transcripts of interviews with 21 unnamed witnesses conducted by investigators as well as reports from the FBI and the FDLE.

Also included in the evidence is bank surveillance video, photos of the crime scene both from the ground and air, cell phone records for Tracy Martin, Tayvon Martin's father, printouts from George Zimmerman's MySpace account, police and fire rescue radio transmission logs, and e-mails for Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee and George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's lawyers have 30 days to review the evidence and then it will be made public and given to media outlets.

....more at link
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/1879 ... fense-team

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I do wonder about Trayvon's "doubling back" - Z's story. Interested to see if there is any evidence of this.
Who saw the beginning of phase two? Anybody?

IF Trayvon was a street smart kid like it is being said he is, surely he would know that someone,
especially a little guy like that, could be getting his sense of POWER from a gun that he is carrying.

Probably would just want to GET AWAY from this determined man and get to the place where I was staying. Wouldn't you? What could Trayvon think and wonder (any of us?) "WHO IS this guy, is he nuts? Pervert? Want my cell phone? What IS this guy's agenda? GET to safety - NOW!

I know I WOULD think like that and maybe even start running. Z must have seemed like a determined mosquito!! (They SURE are determined. They are the pregnant females that attack, and want/need our blood for their babies.)

This trial can't come too soon! I hope there will be law and order everywhere - after the verdict. FL has had enough with Castro opening his prisons and dumping them all - into FL.

to all of you - here.

We can all GUESS what happened.. but it will do no good.

The narrative of what happened will come from JUST GZ. That can be accepted or questioned.. but there will NOT be an alternative... no TM version obviously.

I still can not see why this case is proceeding at all?

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Early WESH News report... BEFORE the contrived narrative, and message group/lynch mob hysteria...



Sanford Police Account

1. Not enough evidence to win manslaughter conviction
2. Martin attacked Zimmerman
3. Martin's father said voice on 911 call not his son's (Voice crying for help)

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George Z doesn't look like somebody I'd be afraid of, but Trayvon does, especiallly with that dark hoodie. I'm "guessing" Trayvon confronted George and George had to defend himself and things went bad from there. I don't think a guy Trayvon's size would be intimated by a shorter pudgy fellow.


Jane

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Richard Hornsby's Blog......


Legally, Who Was the First Aggressor?
Apr 21st, 2012
by Richard Hornsby.




....more at link
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2012/04/ ... aggressor/

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Since there is a lot of VERY creative photoshoping hitting the message sites... how about this...

TM swings 7-Eleven bag containing Watermelon Drink can... hits GZ's nose?

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Hi!
Hopefully we will find out all the facts/truth.

As T. obviously knew, and we know now, Trayvon was in a fight for his life! He lost.
I heard a detective say on I.D. "If one man has a gun, and the other one doesn't, it can't be self defense."

I have heard some say Z. was on the bottom so he was the one screaming - obviously. But to me it is not obvious. The screaming sounded more like a kid, not like a man. There are a few voice experts who are saying this also. I am a musician, into sound, but am not an expert in this. Par for the course, experts on both sides will testify at the trial. It was Trayvon screaming. No it was Zimmerman screaming. Poor jury ...

If one sees a gun in the hands of the one stalking them down, and somehow they are wrestling on the ground, surely they would SCREAM - a scream of their pending death it sounded like - and it was. They were screams such as I have NEVER heard before, and I hope I NEVER EVER hear again such frightened screams. Makes me ill... pending death screams, and they knew it - sounded like.Was something being said to Trayvon? Were there 18 blood curdling pleas/screams? Some have wondered about that too, some threats, tormenting, etc.?

We don't know if the fight took place on the cement or grass, or both. Trayvon was found on the grass ... and it wasn't really near the cement path. It looked to be well onto the grass. George had grass on the back his clothing too, I think. What's to say they didn't alternate positions as they do in wrestling? One on top, the other on top...

Bottom line is - one was armed, the other one not.

Some paint T. to be a street thug. If he was, surely then he might know some people "carry". Why THEN would he double back, as Z. says and attack this man who -- MIGHT -- BE -- CARRYING - knowing he didn't have a weapon?

I have read Z. mentored black children so he couldn't be prejudiced. But have also read that was a condition of his probation in one of his incidents with the law.

These are just some of the thoughts questions that swirl around me ... I wish they wouldn't.

R ... I saw that good picture of the watermelon can. Yes that very well might be. But no one knows what was being done - said before that. I heard some things G. was saying to the dispatcher... he was not a happy man... "Those A** H***s always get away"

Too bad nobody saw the very beginning of "their meeting". "John" only saw it from the middle on, and now he is changing his "story".

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive..."

(I snipped the rest of the quote because I only wanted to address the statement above.)


It's not true that if one man has a gun and the other man doesn't, it can't be self defense. A man without a gun can kill another man with his bear hands. If George feared this was what Trayvon was trying to do, George could certainly be using his gun in self defense because he perceived himself the weaker man. That's one reason why many of us are allowed to carry a concealed gun, so we can use it whenever we feel our lives are threatened by bare hands, knives, guns, or whatever.


Jane

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Jane hi.

I guess so. But both have bare hands, and Z outweighed Trayvon.

The gun tips the scale though, I thought?

Why is my R.T. notice in my JUNK place now? Just started a couple days ago.

THIS is not junk!! LOL

George Zimmerman jail calls: Trayvon Martin shooter tells wife how to move around money
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

In a half dozen phone calls between a locked-up George Zimmerman and his wife, the couple talk about their love for each other, their confidence in the future and how to move around money, recordings released this morning reveal.

Prosecutors allege the six phone calls prove that Shellie Zimmerman lied when she told a judge that the couple was broke.

......see link for transcripts
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... gela-corey

audio files
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... on-martin/

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George Zimmerman's Jailhouse Calls To Wife Reveal Couple's Alleged Plan To Hide Funds (AUDIO)
Posted: 06/18/2012 1:17 pm Updated: 06/18/2012 3:57 pm

The special prosecutor in the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida man accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, released a half-dozen recorded jailhouse phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, which prosecutors say reveal the couple's plans to conceal more than $130,000 of donated money via transfers between their personal bank accounts.

.....more at link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 05592.html

Link has both Audio Files and Transcript pdf files

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From GZ Defence
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Release of Zimmerman Phone Calls From Jail

on 18 June 2012.

The Court has received our motion for clarification regarding Mr. Zimmerman’s phone calls while in jail, and has agreed to consider the motion at the scheduled June 29 hearing. The motion addressed 145 of the 151 phone calls from jail, and it is our contention that the calls are not only irrelevant to the charges against Mr. Zimmerman, but they could jeopardize friends and family of Mr. Zimmerman who are unrelated to the case.

The remaining six calls contain conversations which are relevant to the bond hearing and were cited by the prosecution in their motion to revoke bond, and we do not object to the release of these calls. As they are to be made public today, and as they are the phone calls of our client, we are providing access to these calls on our website. We are compiling a list of other potentially relevant phone calls and we will present them when appropriate.

The Motion pdf
http://gzlegalcase.com/documents/zimmer ... ration.pdf

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Wow, it looks like all the hype about George and his wife being liars about not having bond money might not be so worrisome to the defense?

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