Ah, so it was me who missed the reply.

Was George even still at the scene when O'Mara made his grand entrance? Had he even talked to George before speaking to the press?

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The real irony here is that this domestic dispute is a microcosm of the Martin altercation: the press mis-reports details, lawyers spin for presstitute microphones, and observers draw conclusions based on incorrect information, lawyer spin, and bias.

The things that are clear to me:

1) Even if Shellie was inherently incensed, angered, and humiliated due to George's infidelity, it is Shellie who instigated and escalated Monday's events
2) Embellishment and bias are one thing, but Shellie clearly made demonstrably false complaints in her 911 call

"Calling the police is not a crime." I equate that with "walking home with Skittles and iced tea isn't illegal." Similarly, I equate the "George should have had his stuff out long before" assertion to be on par with "he never should have gotten out of the truck".

The couple shared the home, as renters. They separated, Shellie filed for divorce, and it appears that the two made a mutual agreement regarding timing for each to gather belongings from the home. Further, it appears that it was Shellie, not George, who was playing games with that agreement.

Monday was George's agreed-upon day to remove his belongings. Shellie should have been nowhere near the house on that day, and yet she was there. She texted him and told him that she couldn't get her belongings on Saturday (her agreed-upon day to do so), or on Sunday? Tough. She should have come back on a day other than George's agreed-upon day. That's HER fault; not George's.

And then when both are there, Shellie calls 911 and doesn't just embellish; she lies. It was Zimmerman's friend/bodyguard who restrained Shellie's dad, and who caused the abrasion seen on his nose. But Shellie told 911 that George punched her dad and broke his nose. According to police, no gun was found on George. But Shellie told 911 that George threatened them with his gun.

Let' assume that the rumors are true, and that George has been having an affair with his ex-fiancee. Does that give Shellie the right to be angry, emotionally distraught, humiliated, and all manner of other emotional responses? Absolutely.

Does that justify Shellie instigating an altercation and then calling 911 and making false complaints. Absolutely NOT.

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Chip, did you listen to MOM's statements? It's my understanding that he did speak with GZ and was authorized to speak on his behalf. IIRC, GZ didn't leave the scene until after 6 p.m. local time.

As far as the added question about the veracity of MOM's statements, we don't know that he was truthful. But why would he lie? And why would we assume he's either lying or not informed?

Although the next day MOM announced he wasn't going to represent GZ against SZ, he still represents him in other matters. In particular, MOM represents him in the presumably very lucrative NBC civil suit.

I doubt MOM would deliberately lie to harm his client for various reasons including his ethical obligations, his own reputation, his relationship (and future payment) with his client, and so on.

By all accounts GZ was exactly who we all thought he was at the beginning of this case. However, also by all accounts, the torments he has suffered have changed him. I look at it kind of like how fighting in a war often changes a person, at least for a time. Did you read the Daily Mail article quoting the honorable vet, John Donnelly, and his wife? Or the later one posted by Rumpole?

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Honestly, no I haven't. I didn't watch the trainwreck presser, either. For the most part, all of this is just a sideshow that feeds presstitutes' desire to manufacture stories.

I don't know whether George was carrying during the altercation or not; I'm convinced, however, that Shellie lied about the gun during her call. (She proves it by her many changed stories afterward - stories that contradict both internally and with known evidence.)



Hmm, has O'Mara ever been untruthful where George Zimmerman is concerned?

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I've skimmed some of them. As I said above: adultery is reprehensible, and it may explain the rationale for instigating an altercation, but it does not justify making false complaints to the police.

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Infidelity certainly doesn't justify making false complaints to the police, if that's what happened, nor does it justify going to the press, imo. She shouldn't have done either one. However, I'm not willing to condemn her for going to the press, given what she has gone through for the last 16+ months. GZ isn't the only one who has changed, isn't thinking clearly, imo.

What SZ perceived in the heat of the moment may not have ultimately proven correct. That happens. It doesn't mean she deliberately lied. She never claimed GZ brandished his gun. She said he had his hand on it, and they felt threatened by it. MOM confirmed his hand on it. According to what I've read, GZ was in his truck when LE arrived. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he left his gun there when he got out. The woman told LE there were guns in the car.

IIRC, GZ's bodyguard said he accidentally hit SZ's dad with his elbow. If we're going to accept that as the complete truth, then we should also accept his characterization that he understood how SZ could have misinterpreted events.

John Donnelly and his wife, Leanne Breaman, who regarded GZ as like a son, have been quoted as saying that GZ has burned all of his bridges. Remember, GZ and Leanne met at work, and that's how the four got to know each other. It's not like they were SZ's friends first and have some overarching loyalty to her.

Instead of considering the possibility that these people that were so close to him, the Donnellys, MOM, SZ, etc., have valid concerns about GZ's mental/emotional state, we're so protective of GZ, we dismiss those concerns out of hand and condemn those making them. Frankly, I'm very worried about GZ. I wonder if there is anyone in his life now that cares enough about him to call him on his acting out.

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As for whose day it was, I don't know how formal that arrangement was. I do know text messages were exchanged and GZ agreed to SZ moving things out on Monday. The way their negotiations were left was that SZ was to text GZ when she was done. That's the information that SZ was operating under.

Also keep in mind that according to the Daily Mail, GZ and SZ were living in that house rent free. There was no lease.

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Another point I'd like to emphasize so that no one overlooks it: According to what I've read, GZ started taking photos and video of SZ and she then used the ipad to take photos of GZ. It doesn't sound like she set out to do it to sell the photos.

I can't recall who, but someone earlier mentioned that SZ provided photos to HLN. Where did she get the photos? Her ipad was destroyed. Did she have another camera that anyone noticed?

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Done! I posted some of the comments here to the latest thread on my blog:

My transcript of the released text messages, so we're all on the same page about them, and the arrangement between GZ and SZ:

Saturday 9/7/2013

SZ: I cannot finish the job today.... I will be back tomorrow at one to pick up the rest. Thanks

GZ: Ok

SZ: I've left and garage door won't shut

GZ: Ok. Wes will take care of it. Thank you.

Sunday 9/8/2013

SZ: Sorry I'm in church and it's going long. I won't be there by one- but I can text u when I'm 20 min

SZ: I'm sorry to have tied up your afternoon. I'm not feeling well and I can't make it. Ill be there tomorrow around 11 am

SZ: I'm really sorry

Monday 9/9/2013

9:43 a.m.
SZ: On my way be there in twenty

11:34 a.m.
GZ: Are you done?

SZ: I'm almost there
SZ: Haven't entered yet

11:55 a.m.
GZ: Ok, please let me know when you're done.

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So, the way I'm reading the text messages, some time after 11:34 a.m. when GZ asks if she's done, and before 11:55 a.m., SZ texts that she's almost there, hasn't entered yet. At 11:55 a.m., GZ asks that she let him know when she's done. Two hours, 14 minutes later, at 2:09 p.m., she's calling LE. So he got there some time before the call to LE, and an altercation happened. Is that how everyone else is reading it?

Does anyone know what time GZ arrived?

Edit to clarify time of SZ's message and to ask about GZ's arrival.

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Hiya, rick Madigan! Glad to have you posting with us! I read your earlier comments, thank you.

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Someone posted that SZ's dad asked GZ something to the effect of, "Are you going to shoot me too?" Does anyone have a link for that? All sources that I'm seeing do not quote the "too" part of that, which makes it a bit different, kwim? I'd like to know which is correct.

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Morning All-
I for one, do condemn Shellie for going to the media. She didn't go to just any reporter, but one of the Tray-vultures. She went directly to someone she knew would be very receptive to anything damaging to George Zimmerman- Someone writing a book about him for gods sake. She went to the very jaquels who had ruined their lives. The people who gleefully gave the scheme team a platform and a microphone for a year and a half. Think of the narrative that was sold to the public and how so many, many people to this day still believe at least some of that narrative if not all of it, ( he was told to stay in his truck!). To give those same vultures more fodder was reckless.

I don't think anyone is condoning going to the media. That was wrong.

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The Daily Mail has another piece up.

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Morning liesel- I was just responding to your earlier post in which you said you were not willing to condem her for going to the press given what she has been through. I do. Because it should be clear to her that the media is responsible for what she's been through.

I don't think I give much credence to anything the daily mail reports as fact.