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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:26 pm 
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The police did what they had to do from the complaint. They had him at gun point to disarm him if necessary. Police aren't so stupid to just shoot someone from what is related to them from a 911 call.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:33 pm 
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I don't see police take downs as done in a fog. They are trained for just that.

Shellie is extremely upset over the blond. If she didn't love him and wasn't jealous, she wouldn't be upset.


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In the "Fog" of a police take down ANYTHING can happen. There was an awful lot of shouting.. and some confusion seen on Dash cam. I can EASILY imagine George innocently moving an arm down towards his waist and being shot. Police training not withstanding... tragedies have often occurred!

What I am saying is that an "accident" could have happened anyway... but Shellie's hysterical warning about George actually SEEN with a gun and threatening made it much much worse.

Shellie is extremely lucky.


The way Sims tells it, and apparently has the text messages to prove it, is that GZ knew SZ was back at the house collecting more belongings. The mutual agreement seemed to be that they would avoid each other at that house, yet he showed up.

Under the circumstances, I would find that a bit threatening if I was Shellie. She doesn't feel she knows the dude anymore. He shows up unannounced and starts filming or questioning what she's taking, if reports are to be believed. He's got a huge friend/bodyguard with him, and as it turns out, "Samantha" was also along for the ride.

I would be very jumpy around someone I had been married to who was now acting like someone I didn't know at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:37 pm 
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Shellie seems to me to have been yanking Georges chain... supposed to be done Saturday... the Sunday... then Monday... and multiple TIME delays as well. George DID stay away Saturday.. and Sunday... and even Monday for several hours it seems...... Come on Shellie was being a bitch.

She actually said that George had threatened her and her father with a gun... told that to somebody dispatching an armed police response... that goes WAY beyond being a bit worried.

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Rumpole, at Stately McDaniel Manor, Mike has given extensive coverage to a case similar to what you describe; conflicting orders from LE, etc., the Erik Scott case.

I doubt that SZ has much, if any knowledge about these things, and I doubt she meant to cause GZ to be killed. From what I've read, there was enough there to back up that SZ could have believed what she said, as opined by MOM and Sims. She didn't get it all right. But, while she had reason to believe he had a gun (and according to MOM he did) she didn't tell LE that she actually saw a gun, iirc.

Your concerns about LE's perceptions in the fog of confrontation are justified and all too common from those professionals. The perceptions of the parties involved are often likewise affected by the heat of the moment, especially those who are not professionals and have had very little contact with LE, as far as I know. She may have deliberately lied or exaggerated; or she may have believed she was telling what she experienced, as suggested by MOM and Sims.

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murderbythebook wrote:
I don't see police take downs as done in a fog. They are trained for just that.

Shellie is extremely upset over the blond. If she didn't love him and wasn't jealous, she wouldn't be upset.

I agree, mbtb. I'd add hurt and humiliated too.

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Except in Vegas. :D


Everything in Vegas stays in Vegas. :89


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I don't think Shellie consiously tried to get George killed?

I don't think she thought much at all.... that is my point. If she is so stupid she needs to pause.. seek better advice than she is apparently getting from her father and and divorce lawyer. As I outline... because of the potential in this instance for an "accident" during Cop call out... but also for her own sake.. she is on probation and could wind up doing prison time.

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JanC1955 wrote:

The way Sims tells it, and apparently has the text messages to prove it, is that GZ knew SZ was back at the house collecting more belongings. The mutual agreement seemed to be that they would avoid each other at that house, yet he showed up.

Under the circumstances, I would find that a bit threatening if I was Shellie. She doesn't feel she knows the dude anymore. He shows up unannounced and starts filming or questioning what she's taking, if reports are to be believed. He's got a huge friend/bodyguard with him, and as it turns out, "Samantha" was also along for the ride.

I would be very jumpy around someone I had been married to who was now acting like someone I didn't know at all.

Ditto. MOM also mentioned "miscommunication" so that tends to back up what Sims said, imo. I also read that GZ started taking photos, video, and that she did the same in response.

For those who have never been through it, or known others who have, it really is fairly common behavior in a regular divorce situation. With all they've been through, I suppose it should be expected.

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Rumpole wrote:
I don't think Shellie consiously tried to get George killed?

I don't think she thought much at all.... that is my point. If she is so stupid she needs to pause.. seek better advice than she is apparently getting from her father and and divorce lawyer. As I outline... because of the potential in this instance for an "accident" during Cop call out... but also for her own sake.. she is on probation and could wind up doing prison time.


She is not violating her probation by calling police. Just saying.......


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That makes sense, Rumpole. With her probation and their notoriety, it was probably the plan to try to avoid LE as an escort so the press wouldn't have a field day.

She's 26 years old. She got advice from her dad and her lawyer. She's distraught, so I wouldn't expect her to be thinking clearly, or to understand when she gets bad advice from her father and her lawyer.

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murderbythebook wrote:
I don't see police take downs as done in a fog. They are trained for just that.

Shellie is extremely upset over the blond. If she didn't love him and wasn't jealous, she wouldn't be upset.


Trained or not I think that we can all agree having a loaded firearm pointed at you is considered a life threatening situation, Just slightly less life threatening when properly trained individuals hold the weapon.

JanC- my question is who was allotted that time to be there. It matters not to me if someone had additional things they wanted to collect. If SZ decided to be there during GZ allotted time anything she saw (including the other woman) or that happened is firmly on her own shoulders.
Under the circumstances I would also feel a bit threatened if I was GZ. First a divorce announced, then having to go into the woman's parents property to receive my things. In fact I would bring additional people as witnesses just to clarify the situation.... Just imagine how this would have turned out if GZ was alone there. with absolutely nobody to counter the 911 call.. also notice that the SZ story became much more moderated after the security footage was volunteered by GZ.


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liesel wrote:
Rumpole, at Stately McDaniel Manor, Mike has given extensive coverage to a case similar to what you describe; conflicting orders from LE, etc., the Erik Scott case.

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liesel: this is EXACTLY the case I was thinking of when I posted to MBTB that "except in Vegas" cops don't fire first and ask questions later! We've got some LE problems in this town, me thinks. (And I'm a big supporter of LE, don't get me wrong. But the Erik Scott murder was a particularly stunning example of the problem here.)


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murderbythebook wrote:
She is not violating her probation by calling police. Just saying.......

She VERY MUCH is violating her probation if she lied in an attempt to INVENT a serious incident, just to get back at George... which she did clearly. (IMO)

I think the cops will drop it... but the only charges that MIGHT be pursued are against Shellie.... hence the farce today with the bald lawyer and the the per-emptive CYA

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FALSE accusations and a false narrative put out by a shifty lawyer at a press conference is EXACTLY what got us into this Mess... with Crump and the Scheme Team going after George.... here we go again!! :wall

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guywitharod wrote:

Trained or not I think that we can all agree having a loaded firearm pointed at you is considered a life threatening situation, Just slightly less life threatening when properly trained individuals hold the weapon.

JanC- my question is who was allotted that time to be there. It matters not to me if someone had additional things they wanted to collect. If SZ decided to be there during GZ allotted time anything she saw (including the other woman) or that happened is firmly on her own shoulders.
Under the circumstances I would also feel a bit threatened if I was GZ. First a divorce announced, then having to go into the woman's parents property to receive my things. In fact I would bring additional people as witnesses just to clarify the situation.... Just imagine how this would have turned out if GZ was alone there. with absolutely nobody to counter the 911 call.. also notice that the SZ story became much more moderated after the security footage was volunteered by GZ.


It seemed the other day from O'Mara that it was "George's turn" to move stuff out on the day in question. But according to Sims today, SZ and GZ had been communicating via text message and SZ was telling him she still had more stuff to move out and when she planned to do it. She did keep moving the goalposts as far as her timing went, but I would think there would be text messages from GZ if he was upset about that. He didn't seem to put up any fuss about her needing to get more stuff or when she could do it, but then he showed up while she was there ... with the blonde. So I'm not sure how anyone figures it was Shellie looking for a fight on that particular occasion.

In any event, it should really go without saying that neither of them are in their right minds at the moment. Divorce does that all by itself, without all the trauma of everything else they've been through.

The way I see it, GZ is putting it to Shellie by parading around with the blonde. Shellie's putting it to GZ by involving the media. Hopefully they'll both take a step back now and not escalate things further.

ETA: For the record, I think SZ called the cops because she was freaked, not as part of some subversive plot to get George arrested or worse.


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Food for though for Shellie apologists.....

Note this is just the happenings on the MONDAY... day of the incident... George HAD already stayed away on Saturday and Sunday... to fit in with Shellie's "evolving" scheduled.... I think Shellie was dragging this out on purpose... just a guess :)

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September 11, 2013 at 7:55 pm

Did you all notice the times of the text messages between George and Shellie?

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/754/8634383600.png

BTW this screen shot came from Christi O’Connor’s website about George. She had it posted on there just a few hours after the incident. That’s how HLN got the pictures of Shellie’s Dad and laptop that night!

At 9:43 AM on Sept. 9th Shellie Says she will be at the house in 20 minutes
At 11:34 am George asks her if she is gone (proof he tried staying away till she left)
Somewhere between 11:34 am and 11:55 am Shellie tells George she isn’t there yet.
At 11:55 am George says OK and for her to let him know when she is gone. (again proving he was trying to stay away)

The 911 call was at 2:10 pm. Why did she need all day to remove a few items? If you notice during the entire security video (which is really a video of a video) not one thing was placed in Shellie’s Dad’s truck. From the police report, George says he saw things in the truck Shellie was not suppose to take so he took pictures of them and took pictures inside the truck too.

If Shellie was in such fear of George shooting them as she claims, then why near the end of the video do you see Shellie who was talking on phone most likely to 911, her Dad and their helper, all follow George to his truck that was parked out in the street? A fearful person would NOT do that!!!

I also noticed in the report it said that Shellie’s father said to George during the confrontation… “Are you going to shoot me too?” Which you know damn well was in reference to Trayvon and said only to provoke George!

As for the news conference this afternoon. Her attorney is an idiot! First he makes reference to him being Batman pulling up in his Batmobile, he constantly refers to George’s friend as being the 400 pound man, blathers on about Shellie losing 30 pounds, makes numerous references to George shooting them and comparing it to Clint Eastwood somehow. It was stupid and his jokes made me long for Don Wests Knock Knock joke again. Meanwhile Shellie stood there all doe eyed while looking at her attorney.

Oh and the best part was Sims said that in many cases when someone tells the police they saw the person with a gun, whether a gun is found or not, that person would go to jail and that there are many people sitting in jail for 5 years because someone said they saw a gun and yet there never was one found.

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Video of attorney Richard Hornsby discussing incident.

Here is his twitter feed.

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Oh thanks. I've been wanting to see this.


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I'm not a Shellie "apologist." God, I just love labels. :WW

It is helpful for some people to understand what the "other side" might be feeling in a given situation, which is what I'm trying to communicate on Shellie's behalf. It is clearly not "helpful" to those who have made up their mind Shellie is a manipulative, money grubbing bitch who is now trying to get GZ killed simply because the poor misunderstood fella took up with a blonder, thinner woman more worthy of him.

Shellie seems to have acted childishly by not keeping to a reasonable schedule in moving her things out of her father's home. While GZ didn't wait to hear back from her that she was gone before he returned, I get why he might've decided at that point the hell with it, I'm not waiting around any longer, I'm going back over there.

While we're gettin all up in everyone's business here, perhaps we should ask why GZ is still living at Shellie's father's home. Why isn't he in the home of his own parents? Or his brother? Or his new girlfriend? Or his 800 pound bodyguard? Why didn't he get the hell out of that house weeks ago?


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