Side point (because I'm mostly staying out of this discussion, due to lack of reliable information, and most of it being none of our business): one of the things that appears to be reliable is that George and Shellie had arranged *separate* times for each to go to the house, to collect belongings, that George was at the house at his agreed-upon time, and that Shellie should not have been there, as per the agreement.

Regardless of the causes of their marital problems, the status of their separation/divorce, or any alleged infidelity, it appears that Shellie had absolutely no business being at that house at that time, and that any altercation that took place resulted from Shellie's instigation.

In other words: if the mystery woman was George's mistress, Shellie never would have known that the "other woman" was at the house, if she had stayed away in accordance with her and George's agreement.

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She shouldn't have been there and what is clear to me is that she was there to start trouble and try to catch it on camera for profit.

No federal investigators on the case yet?

I say that in humor, but such involvement by the fed's would not surprise me.

There you go again, mung, putting plainly what I'm trying to say. We don't know. We'll likely never know. And we shouldn't know.

That's why I have a hard time with those who want to vilify SZ. I am totally in agreement that she shouldn't have done the interview, and other things, that just made the situation worse. But I also understand how hurt she must be. I don't think she's the monster some are painting her to be.

See? It wouldn't occur to you to offend your ex by bringing your forever around when you were asked not to. I don't know why GZ felt he had to bring his current woman to the house SZ asked him not to bring her. To me that was disrespectful to his wife and to her parents who own the house.

MOM said there was "miscommunication" and I have to wonder what happened there. Did GZ not know SZ was going to be there, or is he so angry after all he's been through (and exacerbated by her tv debut), that he was asserting that he wasn't going to be pushed around anymore? Again, by all accounts he has changed a lot, and I think anyone would.

Bottom line: As you wrote, we don't know, and shouldn't know. Therefore, I'm not comfortable looking at either as a villain.

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I'm only commenting to counter some of the ill will toward SZ. I agree, we don't know and shouldn't know.

MOM said there was a "miscommunication" about their separate times, so both could have believed they were entitled to be there. Again, we don't know.

Even if there weren't surveillance cameras that would have shown GZ's other woman, so that SZ wouldn't have known that he brought her to the house after being asked not to, it's still wrong to do it, imo. Even so, it seems the altercation was over before SZ realized the woman was there, so that played no part in the altercation.

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Oh, please... the DOJ is probably "enhancing" those tapes as we type!

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We don't know that she was trying to catch anything on camera for profit. What we can be fairly confident about is that GZ destroyed an ipad - tore it into pieces and used a pocket knife on it. It doesn't seem likely to me that was done calmly, without rancor.

We also know there is a mark on her dad's nose, because we've seen the photo, and we know it's claimed that GZ did it. We also have been led to believe that both SZ and her dad declined to press charges.

This is exactly what I'm talking about - after SZ is decreed the bad guy, we can assign all kinds of ill will and bad motives to her, although we don't know what happened.

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To clarify: Although it may be coming off differently, I am NOT anti-GZ. I'm not blaming him or holding him responsible. At the same time, I'm NOT anti-SZ. I'm not blaming her or holding her responsible.

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Huh, going to be difficult to get video off an iPad with no flash memory.

Yeah! What DiwataMan wrote! (She typed, pretending she understood his post.)

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On a lighter note, the ever entertaining Dr Bao has been fired at the ME office. Willie Gray is representing him in a multi million dollar lawsuit against the State, Prosecutors who would not let him testify during the trial, etc. Is there any chance this could go to Court? What a hoot. Shellie and George marital woes while sad is still about normal for what I have seen over the years except for her using all the "buzz words" from the Martin event in her 911 call. Thank G-d, George had sense enough to not be tootin a gun on his body. This is fun stuff and the added mixture of a blonde woman in the mix adds to the laughs. This is not serious business but a little drama in our every day lives.

Well at first glance I thought the memory flash memory was missing but looking further it looks like it is there. I'm not familiar with the iPads so I'm just looking online. From what I can tell it's an iPad 2 with this logic board configuration (the orange outline is the flash)

http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/TDFS ... Ps1lv.huge

(Here's another pic)
http://www.techinsights.com/uploadedIma ... -board.jpg

But the rest of the logic board is missing and from the video looks like it was taken out but that doesn't matter if the flash drive remained as that's where the video would be, unless of course there was an external drive being used which would mean they wouldn't need the iPad anyway.

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http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/surveil ... ht/vCB9kh/

No way to connect an external drive to an iPad so that wouldn't even be an option.

Thanks, DiwataMan, for the explanation. At least I was smart enough to agree with you.

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Odd. I was thinking of the scenario of if a USB flash drive might have been used to record to that it wouldn't be using the internal one. Certainly one can attach these things to an iPad. Apple is not forcing its customers to keep the stuff on the iPad itself are they? lol, I wouldn't know as I never really use their products, I did have an iPod once, I think it's in a closet or something somewhere.

Hiya, cherpa1! Yes, very sad, and not unusual to have these drama plays in a divorce. It's a highly emotional, even sort of deranged process, in many - if not most - cases. People can seem totally different from the person you've always known them to be, act in unpredictable ways, say and do things it's difficult to understand. Most of us have known someone going through a divorce, some have suffered through it ourselves.

As someone posted earlier in the thread, domestic violence calls are the most dangerous calls LE faces. As MOM stressed, it's a highly emotional time for all involved. Rare are the divorces that are handled calmly and amicably throughout. Even when both parties agree to divorce, there are often years of resentments, hurts, slights, etc. that seem to all come bubbling out.

It's the human condition.

What makes this one different, even more difficult imo, (in addition to playing out on the national news), is all those two have suffered at the hands of the mob and of the state, which likely caused their marriage to fail. I suspect the marriages of many who started off on stronger footing, who didn't have financial problems, and who were much more mature, etc., would have fallen apart under the stresses GZ and SZ endured.

At the risk of being confused with a broken record (or for you younger folks, a jammed IRC bot), we don't know for sure that GZ didn't have a gun on his person at any time during the incident. We only know he didn't have it when LE searched him. He may have (surprisingly wisely) put any gun in his truck, which wasn't searched. Or, GZ may not have had any weapon at all, relying on his bodyguard to protect him. MOM said he had one, but he may be mistaken, or trying to calm a troubled situation by falsely validating what may have been a sincerely held but mistaken belief of SZ.

As for Bao... he's the (dark) comedy show that doesn't end. I suspect he's hoping to get the Trayborg™ to his side in hopes of cashing in. I'll try to look at his "evidence" with an open mind, but it seems ludicrous to me that he can prove all witnesses and other evidence wrong despite not being able to remember the autopsy.

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As far as I know, Apple does not expose any USB or other peripheral ports on the iPad. (Apple is the master of user lock-in.)

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I just read on twitter that GZ claims SZ used the ipad as a weapon against him. Does anyone know anything about that? Is there a credible source that GZ alleged that?

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Only a very limited connector on the iPad and while there are some devices out there that will allow an external harddrive to be connected it would have been hanging off the charging port in the video. There is no USB, SD, or other memory stick hole to plug anything into. Yes slightly limiting but with the other features I will still take my iPad over my old tablet any day.

I agree. The hateful villifying is not necessary.