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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:57 pm 
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What are they afraid of? I don't know anything about them. Chicken ... looks like to me. :47

OR was it getting heated, ugly? :59

That could be the moderator's fault for not laying down the law maybe?

This is so cozy ...


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:15 am 
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Yes Both sides of the discussion are welcome here :24

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 3:12 pm 
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... on-martin/

One of the author’s of the controversial “Stand Your Ground” self defense law, doesn’t think it applies to George Zimmerman.
Hear the video … he says it at the end.
I just thought it was interesting. :37

Too, I am wondering how the police will feel about him now? He said at some meeting (now on audio tape) - heard on Jane VM show), he rode around with the police and some showed him where they "nap". And also, I think he said that they were inept? He thinks they will welcome him there now?
He REALLY wants to be a cop. I wonder why he hasn't taken the exam again? Out on his weight I think he said. He lost the weight. Did he fail the psychological part too? I don't really "get him". Strange ... I think. :95


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:49 am 
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Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-Eleven
Posted on May 26, 2012
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Treeper Diwataman, has uncovered a considerably interesting aspect of Trayvon Martin’s visit to the 7-11 by using the raw feed video from the evidence release, not the media edited versions.

Trayvon checked out from “his” purchase at 6:24. But as this video highlights he didn’t leave right away. About a minute after he walks out, 3 other rather doubious characters walk in. After they make their purchases and leave at 6:29 Trayvon is seen walking away outside the building.



So what was Trayvon waiting outside for? And what did Trayvon and the 3 stooges coordinate after they left? Why did he wait around outside for approximately 5 minutes after he exited the 7-11? Obviously “occams Razor” would infer that he got something from one or more of the 3 stooges and then headed home.

Indeed in watching the video it does appear that Trayvon is walking away partially backwards while departing with a farewell of sorts. Curious.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Boy, now what does THIS mean? Not sure.
Couple things jump out to me. Why does the guy have his face covered ... then right at the cash register, where we all know
they have cameras, take his hoodie off? I don't understand that.
Coming from Philly, and being female, I always turned around to see if anyone was following me. Best not to be surprised!
NRA told me too, (musician out every night on the road/3:00AM) to be hyper vigilant.
I would guess Trayvon, a young black male, knew that, and always did that too.
Why would they all have to go into the store and get on camera? Needed change?
How long had Trayvon been staying with his Dad at that time? He met "these" other guys who used drugs already? Maybe he did.
WAS it raining? There is some talk T. stayed under the roof of the Clubhouse. That might account for "some time" spent.
Ear buds found in his pockets? He was talking hands free? I just have a regular cell phone, rarely used, basically used for emergencies only.
This is really a VERY interesting post here R. You are a great reporter/Monitor! :80

I guess the bottom line is - - Neighborhood Watch Captain's (members), are ONLY supposed to be extra eyes and ears for Police.
See - report - job finished! That is what scares me about Zimmerman - and I was right. He didn't do that. Self appointed Cop too?
Dangerous ... and we sure know that now in hindsight - for sure! :97

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I came back to re-vist this great post and videos.
In the first video, freeze the picture by hitting your "pause", the 2 vertical lines.
See the head ...
In the "Arrive" picture look at the grey portion to the immediate left of the head. I think they
say that is Trayvon, arriving. Notice where it comes on his head. Tall person, looks like.
Now look at the photo "Leave". Is the head lower down, using these things as "markers"?
Shorter person? Could be a matter of inches.

Now notice the white thing to the Right of the head. It looks like a shade. Is the shade somewhat higher up
on the head in the "Leave" shot? They are shorter? (Try to use these things as "markers". Find other markers too?)
What about the pinkish red thing on the right - another "marker"?

Can you find things too? Even if both photos are not lined up precisely, these items are stationary.

I DO want to know the real truth - all of it! Truly!
I decided to do this as a little exercise, because I was engaged to an Artist once, and he told/taught me "People can't draw because they are not SEEING."
From then on, I tried HARD to learn - how to SEE. I am much better now at it, than before I met him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:23 pm 
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It looks like Orlando Sentinel people have come to their senses.... they now "suggest" subscribing but don't block access to articles... you can click the subscribe window off.

That makes more business sense... I have linked to OS for 4 years... no doubt generated 100's of thousands of hits to their site

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Court motions preview evidence public hasn't seen in George Zimmerman case
6:51 p.m. EST, May 28, 2012|
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

When the mountain of evidence was released earlier this month, defense attorney Mark O'Mara issued a statement saying prosecutors have turned over only "about half" of the evidence gathered so far in the second-degree-murder case against Zimmerman.

So what's left? Documents filed with the court by both the state and defense seeking to keep certain records under seal offer a peek behind the curtain and preview potentially important evidence.
But based on what what's out there now, legal experts say it's unlikely there's a bombshell waiting.
"I think that we have seen the best the state has to offer to this point," said Bill Sheaffer, an Orlando defense attorney and WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst.

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Now that four eye witnesses have changed their stories, Z. will get off?
All we have is his side of everything, and we know defendants all lie as well as their families - to save their necks.

"Reasonable doubt" will win here? Defense teams usually throw everything up against the wall, to see if any of it will "stick".
That I believe creates lots of confusion, as Baez did in the CMA trial.
(I was married to a lawyer - in a different life. Divorced now!! :51 )

Enough confusion to make "Reasonable Doubt", and so goes the case.

I thought I saw something with the different heights of the heads, but if the "button" is seen there (it was on his left side),
then that IS Trayvon ... leaving. That area I see was to the right of the clerk, a wall with some kind of "molding"? :95

Hope this trial is televised. Should be an interesting one.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:34 pm 
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I hope there is no trial.

This looks to me like self defense... not sure SYG really need apply even... self defense plain and simple.
Since there is to be a "SYG" hearing I hope the matter is put to rest there.

It certainly is a TRAGEDY that a 17 year old was shot and killed... but sadly cases where physical altercations end in such tragedies (especially where a gun is involved) are all too common. This case was hyped out of all proportion from day one and I think charges were brought only to assuage (orchestrated) mass outcry over what seems now now to be imagined facts of the case.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:01 am 
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Reasonable Hypothesis From Treeper Diwataman
Posted on May 28, 2012 by sundancecracker

Somewhat based on the new video evidence, Diwataman has put the “known facts”, including timeline, into an interesting and well constructed video consideration. Take a look:




.....more at link
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:21 am 
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And for those who dismiss (unfairly) articles at conservativetreehouse..... much the same is being reported at "Liberal" websites too!!

From TALK LEFT: The politics of Crime

George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sun May 27, 2012 at 08:05:00 AM EST

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Why Zimmerman reported Trayvon to the non-emergency number is a red herring. It doesn't matter if he profiled him or unfairly suspected him of criminal activity. It doesn't matter that he was a crime warrior. He didn't break the law. His neighborhood watch program, set up with the assistance of the police, instructed residents to report suspicious activity. That's what he did. He wasn't on watch that night, he had a concealed weapons permit, and it wasn't a crime to get out of his car to see where Trayvon had run off to, so he could tell the police when they got there.

All that matters legally is whether Trayvon Martin's physical attack on him caused him to reasonably fear serious bodily injury. Zimmerman's testimony, which is supported by proof of his injuries and witnesses observing the struggle, is that Martin broke his nose and banged his head against cement. He tried to get up and couldn't. Using an objective standard, a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.


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More from TALK LEFT: The politics of Crime

Zimmerman: The Discovery and the Witnesses
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sun May 27, 2012 at 08:10:00 AM EST

More discovery in the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case will be disclosed to the media on May 31. On June 1, Judge Lester will hold a hearing on the state's motion to seal and prevent public release of some of the discovery.

Unless the state has packed some good stuff in this next round of discovery, I'm not seeing much of a case. Most of the state's witnesses seem to help George Zimmerman's self-defense case, and the others don't hurt it.

....more at link
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NOTE: According to this article...
More Documents released to public on THURSDAY MAY31

Hearing on FRIDAY

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Sentinel files motion against sealing evidence in George Zimmerman murder case
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
2:21 p.m. EST, May 29, 2012

Attorneys for the Orlando Sentinel and other media filed a motion Tuesday seeking to prevent a judge from sealing some evidence in the murder case against George Zimmerman.

The state and defense support sealing some evidence in the case, including Zimmerman's statements to law enforcement and the names of civilian witnesses.

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Alan Dershowitz blasts case against George Zimmerman
Harvard law professor weighs in
Apr 26, 2012



From Megyn Kelly on Fox News
http://video.foxnews.com/v/158584287900 ... -zimmerman

Alan Dershowitz (Best known criminal Lawyer in the World)

"If anybody should be criminally charged.. it is the prosecutors"
"The affidavit submitted by prosecutor is a crime.......does not show enough even for Manslaughter."
"If I was this prosecutor I'd be hiring my own lawyer right now"

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George Zimmerman has excellent grounds for lawsuits
May 29, 2012 4:11 pm

The evidence Special Prosecutor Angela Corey disclosed in the shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin suggests it's more likely she'll face charges of prosecutorial misconduct than will George Zimmerman be convicted of second-degree murder.
Ms. Corey charged Mr. Zimmerman with unpremediated murder as a result of aggravated stalking, which the statute defines as "willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury."

Ms. Corey will have to drop the murder charge "if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally," Mr. Dershowitz wrote in the New York Daily News. She had the exculpatory evidence in hand when she indicted Mr. Zimmerman, so her actions "have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional," Mr. Dershowitz said.

Ms. Corey's conduct resembles that of Mike Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case. As appalling has been the conduct of journalists who asserted, without a shred of evidence, that the shooting was racially motivated.

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The 7-Eleven Research Revisited.....

Exceptional Research – Reposting The 7-11 Video from DiwataMan

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From the outset the entire story of altruistic Trayvon Martin headed to the 7-11 for his “brother” Chad was simply silly. 17-year-old kids do not go out in the rain, at night, and walk over a mile just to get dad’s girlfriend’s kid a bag of skittles. Every intellectually honest person knew that story, while it might have sounded great -and was indeed Julianesque- was implausible. This video, and DiwataMan’s discovery of Trayvon’s actual intent, reflects the far more believable explanation.

Secondly, the “Three Stooges” should be easy to identify because one of them used a debit card for his purchase, and they need to be interviewed by authorities.

Third, knowing Trayvon ended up with a cigar to make into a marijuana blunt, begs the obvious question “why was it not on him when he was shot”? Generally a person would not smoke the entire thing en route home, no need too. So where was it, and where was the accompanying blunt filler ie marijuana.? Simple questions.

Fourth, combined with his intentional removal of his button from his jacket, and his placing his ear buds in his pockets, this deconstructs the entire narrative of why Trayvon took off running, and leads to the question of where did Trayvon end up physically located that allowed him to a) ditch the contraband, and b) remove the pin, ear buds, etc in preparation for the encounter/confrontation.

You see, when you are intellectually honest and ask these ‘reasonable’ questions based on the video, you end up with a scenario considerably different from what was originally sold by Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson and Ryan Julison. Trayvon could not have been “hunted down”, chased and caught etc.

Lastly, again being intellectually honest, what did Trayvon have to fear from a chubby, short, white-hispanic guy sitting in his truck? Street smart 17 year olds do not take off and run from ordinary people watching them, even if they are staring. They run from one thing, and one thing only, the law; Or people who are in contact with the law that are about to call in an inspection on you; And then you only run if you have something you need to hide or get rid of before the cops show up.

The Three Stooges could answer a lot of questions about those 7-11 minutes. In addition over the course of three days over 10,000 people have watched the newly revealing video on this site. Considering links, posts to Facebook, and corresponding attachments somewhere around 25,000 people have viewed and shared that DiwataMan fact based analysis showing what Trayvon actually did at the 7-11, just in the past three days.

So where is the Main Stream Media following up on this?

.....more at link
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The diwataman video and research again...


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Good information here R. :86
I do count on forensics, evidence, etc.
Trayvon's route? Who said that? Zimmerman story?
And things like "He is hanging around the mail boxes..." is only Z.'s statement?
(Maybe he was hanging under the Clubhouse roof - for shelter from the rain?)
"He is coming to check me out..." Zimmerman's story?
(Was Trayvon was taking a very direct route to the place he was staying? Was that
also in the direction/route of the back "entrance" too?)
Who said "He reached home"? Zimmerman's story?
THIS is what is so confusing to me ... Zimmerman only - story.
Now the 911 callers - all changing their stories? They probably know they will be going under
Cross probably?
Not following this too closely these days. Appreciate your research R.


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Joni, the time line/description is a theory... based on available evidence such as - 7-Eleven video, Dee Dee's statement, GZ NEN call etc.

Like all proper theories it incorporates what we know at this time.. and is open to be DISPROVED or modified if and when new evidence comes to light.

It is a quantum step forward from the emotional postings based not on any theory, rather based on speculation of the "What if" type. Not based on fact so not able to be "disproved" as such...more akin to superstition than science form people whao usually fall back on "IMO" and "I am entitled to my opinion".......

Sure... everyone is entitled to an opinion...but they are NOT entitled to be right :61

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