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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:13 am 
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Oprah's TM™ comments and Hannity's video on "Oprah Outrage" are here.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:44 am 
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Ugh - more death threats from the ignorant racists who refuse to see past color - but at least this one got hit with some truth:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:49 am 
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It will not surprise me to see GZ file a malicious prosecution against the state and citing Florida 776.032 as the basis of the suit. We know from the trial the prosecution had no evidence to back up their weaksauce probable cause affidavit.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:30 am 
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I am a little, ok a lot , confused...
it is my understanding that new (fed) charges cannot be made unless there is new evidence, such as those that come out of a civil case. and George is immune from civil cases...

right?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Hiya, BertaBlue - different charges can be laid based on the same known evidence, if any are applicable. They're looking for new evidence because they don't have any to support a hate crimes prosecution, and/or a violation of TM™'s civil rights, whatever they're looking at trying to persecute GZ with this time.

You're correct that a civil case may and often does provide new evidence because of the wide-ranging discovery that's allowed. You're also correct that GZ is likely going to be granted immunity from any state prosecution, including a civil case, based on his self-defense shooting of TM™. However, he hasn't applied/motioned for that immunity yet that I know of, so technically he doesn't have it yet. The fact that it's almost certain to be granted after his acquittal is likely why there hasn't been a (malicious) civil suit filed by Trayparents™, especially as they essentially promised one for a year or so. They needed a conviction to be able to be assured they could avoid the immunity protection GZ is now virtually certain to get.

At least, that's how I understand it. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:18 pm 
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To try to clear that up a bit - GZ cannot be tried by the state for essentially the same crime or based on the same facts, such as they can't decide to file assault charges now. However, if he had hypothetically parked illegally, or if he had hypothetically worn an illegal shirt that night, that could be prosecuted, even though the evidence is already well known and was even used in the criminal trial. HTH :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:32 pm 
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Trayvon Martin case a travesty of justice

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 20336.html

How many lies can you find? I had to double check the date, I thought for sure this must have been written in 2012, but, nope, 2013.

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Many of my Facebook friends in Europe were astonished. "How can this happen in the US?" asked a Norwegian friend. Most people of colour, and particularly African Americans, know well the answer to this question, and it comes in two parts: 1) the "Good Ol' Boy" network; and 2) the value of a black body.


I would say "Good Ol' Propaganda" network, spread it wide and far...

This is one of the worst, lie filled articles, I've read.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:58 pm 
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Then I certainly won't click on it; thanks for the heads up, flgirl543!

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FreeGZ posted part 11 about the defense a few pages back and it's also below part 12, as are the other installments, on Ayoob's blog, linked below.

MassadAyoob wrote:
ZIMMERMAN VERDICT PART 12: RATING THE LAWYERS (PROSECUTION)

While there were two lawyers at the defense table, there were three at the State’s: Bernie de la Rionda, John Guy, and Richard Mantei. With about a hundred lawyers to pick from, knowing her office would be in the spotlight, State’s Attorney Angela Corey wouldn’t have put anyone on the team she thought would make her look bad.

Mantei was third chair, and the lowest guy on the totem pole gets the scut work in any organization. For instance, he was the one they sent in to argue that the state had proven its case when it hadn’t during the argument for judgment of acquittal. Perhaps the two senior guys didn’t want to be on film forever BS-ing the judge. I suspect Mantei is a good prosecutor when he actually has a case.

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Read more at Massad Ayoob's blog.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:19 pm 
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Students go back to school with ‘Trayvon Martin dialogues’

Middle and high school students in San Diego, California will be encouraged to vent their frustration that the world lacks justice when they return to school and participate in the “Trayvon Martin dialogues” this fall.

The board of San Diego Unified Schools unanimously approved a proposal recently to establish classroom forums to discuss the death of Trayvon Martin, a black teenager who was shot during an altercation with a Hispanic man, George Zimmerman, in Florida last year. A jury recently acquitted Zimmerman, who claimed that Martin struck first and shot him in self-defense.

The sponsors of San Diego’s Trayvon Martin dialogues, however, believe the resolution of the case has produced in teenagers “feelings of fear, anger, and skepticism that they will live in a just society,” according to The College Fix.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/09/stude ... z2bV87TXR2


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:21 pm 
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Angela Corey is prone towards overcharging & withholding evidence with the intent of forcing the accused to accept her standard 3 year plea deal offer. Corey has a reputation for lashing out against her critics. She retaliated against Ron Littlepage (Florida Times-Union) for his article criticizing her handling of the Fernandez case. More recently Corey threatened Harvard University with a libel suit due to Professor Alan Dershowitz's criticism of her overcharging & concealing evidence during the George Zimmerman case.

IMHO: Angela Corey is much too quick to prosecute gun owners & minority males.
Considering that the NAACP voiced their concern that Corey wasn't the best choice to prosecute George Zimmerman & they'd previously criticized Corey's handling of the Marrissa Alexander & Christian Fernandez cases.
I'm curious whether the NAACP have well connected & funded canditates poised to announce their candidacy for the office of State Attorney in the 4th judicial circuit or the 18th judicial circuit.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:53 pm 
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FreeGZ...another article about the "dialogues"

School District To Launch ‘Trayvon Martin Dialogues’

http://educationviews.org/school-distri ... dialogues/

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San Diego Unified School District board member Marne Foster said before the vote that “Trayvon Martin could have been any one of my three sons as an unarmed, young African American male traveling home.”

She said she hopes the dialogues offer venues for “candid, honest conversations about the state of America.”

“This … gives them a voice and the tools to constructively and safely engage the world around them, and more importantly to become that change agent that we so desperately need them to be,” Foster said, adding “especially given in 2013, they are still living in a time reminiscent of Emmitt Till.”


The inmates are running the asylum. I would not be happy if I had a child attending this school system. Where are the dialogues about avoiding the "thug" lifestyle. Oh, let us not talk about the real issues that led to Trayvon's death, those are the candid, honest conversations that need to be had.


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FreeGZ posted part 11 about the defense a few pages back and it's also below part 12, as are the other installments, on Ayoob's blog, linked below.
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Thanks for sharing. Just the fact the prosecutors took it to trial shows they are either incompetent, corrupt, or both. I'll go with the latter.


ADD: Think about it; Bernie got a pension pay off, the other two got a reputation only for presenting evidence in a way they knew was false. Proof of the "latter" to me.


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Hi, FreeGZ and flgirl543 - Yes, exactly where are the productive conversations explaining to those students why their anger is misdirected? That the trial was fair, and that GZ had a right to defend himself and so do they? That TM™ made a series of bad choices, his final bad choice being to ignore Jon's admonish to "stop" beating GZ? That the bad choices TM™ made before that night led him straight to his death? That TM™'s parents failed him, and by that failure indirectly caused his death?

A lot of positive, productive "conversation" could be had - but it won't be. :wall

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kbp wrote:
Thanks for sharing. Just the fact the prosecutors took it to trial shows they are either incompetent, corrupt, or both. I'll go with the latter.


ADD: Think about it; Bernie got a pension pay off, the other two got a reputation only for presenting evidence in a way they knew was false. Proof of the "latter" to me.

I have been going back and forth on whether to post this because it's around two weeks old, but since he starts this blog out by (more or less) agreeing with you :) I will:

MassadAyoob wrote:
ZIMMERMAN VERDICT PART 8: THE QUANTITY OF INJURY ARGUMENT

Professionals in the justice system knew that the prosecution was desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel when they tried to make it look as if George Zimmerman wasn’t justified in shooting Trayvon Martin because Martin hadn’t hurt him badly enough yet.

Anyone smart enough to pass a bar exam and research the laws of self-defense and use of force, would know that you don’t have to sustain a gunshot wound before you shoot the criminal gunman pointing his weapon at you. Similarly, you don’t have to let the guy fracture your skull or spill your brains onto the sidewalk before you are justified in stopping him with lethal force.

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Read more at Massad Ayoob's blog.

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Sometimes one tweet can make a 5T run worth the effort:


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liesel wrote:
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Read more at Massad Ayoob's blog

That is a good example of what the prosecutors had to do in their efforts to fabricate a case.


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Robert Zimmerman JR@rzimmermanjr
Nick Mosby wants Baltimore to boycott Florida...Perhaps he should focus on these crimes in B'more instead: WATCH http://youtu.be/XVNZkLqDQFM

Would watching for a large group of male teens at night be profiling ...don't click your door locks!


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