If TM™'s parents had done that, he'd likely still be alive. They didn't care enough about him to take the time out of their busy days posing for and posting glamour shots, chasing new partners while married, etc. etc. etc.

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The messaging is very strange, because blacks have such a violent culture that they disproportionately benefit from sensible self defense laws that keep more blacks from going to prison for killings that are justifiable and necessary. So what exactly is the theme for the solidarity and civic mindedness of those who identify with a dead thug? Is the message to children that they should put on their hoodie and go "polar bear hunting" to take their chances with getting high and doing a beat down on some crazyass cracka? The message and the optic is a kind of death wish. Why should any parents that care about their children try to brainwash them to believe such foolish and dangerous nonsense that could easily get them killed too? Street thugs need to tune in reality about what propaganda is going on here is basically a preplanned funeral arrangement for all "true believers". This stuff the black subculture groupies are going on about is really dumb Darwin award material.

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I don't think this Amicus Brief is going anywhere.

http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php?to ... #msg117314



Talkleft's reply

Twitter Sewer abuzz now with "legal experts"

Double Jeopardy is unconstitutional and everyone knows it. End of story.

Such a frivolous filing is simply more of pig showing the world it is a pig because it is just its nature to be the pig it is. Shameless

From the TalkLeft link.....




Cleve Molette


Offense/Statute: SEXUAL BATTERY AGAINST CHILD UNDER 16 YOA
Date Convicted: 23 March 2010

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Molette is their kinda guy....

Heh, I was just coming here to post that. This guy's a real winner.

It seems the guy likes to file frivolous lawsuits and pleadings.

As for the substance of his amicus pleading: it is based on a false premise. Apparently, Mr. Molette has reading comprehension issues. To wit:



It would appear that Mr. Molette overlooked one critically important word: independent.

Zimmerman was not charged with an independent forcible felony. "Independent" means other than the act of homicide itself. (Note that this is the same sort of nonsense the State tried to introduce with the felony third-degree murder lesser-included charge, on the claim that Zimmerman was simultaneously committing an independent act of child abuse.)

The State did not charge Zimmerman with any crime other than homicide. The State did not allege, argue, or present evidence to prove that Zimmerman committed any independent forcible felony.

On a side note: I think we now have definitive proof that CherokeeNative/Teeto has been Catfishing all this time.

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You missed the "scoop" Chip, but you have managed to add some detail and analysis.


I take your point about requiring and INDEPENDENT felony.

Even if (hypothetically) there was an error in jury instruction though..... "Double Jeopardy" would still rule out retrial of GZ.

And even IF(Double hypothetically) there were a retrial... I would imagine the next jury would also see that all the evidence available proves that this is CLEARLY simple self defence.


George has been Acquitted............

For Traybot Worriers:
HOODIES DOWN - DEPENDS UP

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well, ok, It's my 1st post and I am already crazy! I cannot find the Ebony cover that was posted. I wanted to respond to it. Is it me or did anyone else notice the KKK symbolism...(was it an on purpose subliminal msg?) I was looking at the picture of the 3 and the "dad" didnt have his hood on and then it hit me, the 3 would have looked like klan...but then I could just be crazy....

Cleve Molette is a sex offender! IS this REALLY who the Traybots are banking on??? Under what standing does he have to file anything in a Florida case? Ever hear of "Double Jeopardy "?

http://www.sorarchives.com/directory/ga ... tte_738357

This guy seems to have more than his share of legal issues. He is also being sued by TitleMax, and is trying to get it thrown out via bankruptcy.

What a loser!

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Oh, yeah, that's sure going to fly. Molette is a registered sex offender in GA and occupies himself with copyrighting and trademarking things. (Wonder if he's the one who helped Sybrina trademark her son's name?)

The pic of ebony cover is at the links quoted... I really did not want it on view here at RT as well

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The Traybot Worriers are on a sinking ship and all they have are their depends.



I hope they realize those depends take on water and become diving weights.

You mean Depends can't be used as flotation devises?

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Zimmerman Attorney: NAACP-Pushed 'Trayvon's Law' Probably Wouldn't Have Changed Anything

The NAACP-proposed package of legal reforms dubbed "Trayvon's Law" – in reaction to Trayvon Martin's February 2012 death – would explicitly prohibit racial profiling by police, codify "best practices" for neighborhood watchmen and repeal "stand your ground" laws.

But if these recommendations were law before Martin was shot, would they have changed anything?

"The quick answer is no," says attorney Mark O'Mara, the public face of George Zimmerman's defense team.

"George's case was not a 'stand your ground' case, but rather a traditional self-defense case where he reacted to force likely to cause great bodily injury, where he did not have an opportunity to retreat," O'Mara told U.S. News.

Zimmerman had a concealed carry license for the handgun used to shoot Martin. He "was not on 'patrol' as a [neighborhood watch] person, as he was heading to Target and was lawfully carrying his concealed weapon," O'Mara said.

The NAACP proposal would outlaw racial profiling by police and suggests that neighborhood watch volunteers receive anti-profiling training. The relevance of these proposals to the case is also disputed by O'Mara.

"There is absolutely no evidence that George racially profiled Trayvon Martin," according to O'Mara. "Rather all evidence gathered by the FBI and local law enforcement shows that George was affirmatively non-racist."

More.... http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin ... d-anything

Thanks FreeGZ! I had gone through that law and made notes mainly to myself. I don't think I had posted them anyplace!


Trayvon's Law

The goal:
… greatly reduce the likelihood of another tragedy like the Trayvon Martin incident.

The steps to achieve that goal…

1. Racial Profiling
Basically end all profiling by race unless it involves "an identified criminal incident or scheme." IOW; only to be used in a reactive manner, never proactive… and they want grants and funding.

2. Civilian oversight board
Policing of the police with subpoena power… and funding.

3. Watch Groups
Looks more like policy than law, but it mentions "mandate". As expected, no guns, no engaging with suspects, no profiling ..just watch and hope you're safe!

4. Data collection on homicides
The introduction to what they seek…
"… Data show that African Americans, particularly young black men, are disproportionately victimized by violent crimes – from incidents involving non-fatal violent crimes, to crimes where handguns are used to murders. Yet many of these crimes remain unsolved, casting doubt on how seriously law enforcement officials and the public at large consider these cases. In order to gauge the scope of this seeming neglect of the killing of people of color, the NAACP advocates for the collection and public reporting of statistics on homicide cases – including case clearance rates – disaggregated by race, ethnicity, gender, national origin, age and zip code."

The more detailed list that follows is about what data is presently compiled …and they seek more funding!

5. SYG Laws
The introduction to what they seek…
"…Laws like that of Florida have contributed to a 300% increase in so-called self-defense related homicides, and people of color seem to always get caught in the crossfire. The Tampa Bay Times found that defendants claiming “stand your ground” are more successful if the victim is black. A study by the Urban Institute also found that in states that have stand your ground policies, nearly 36% of cases where a white person killed an African American were deemed justifiable homicides, compared to only 3% of cases where an African American killed a white person."

That needs a little research to figure out how the numbers may have been twisted around to meet the narrative. Their more detailed list is of interest.

Duty to Retreat – Must yield if you can and "aggressor" pretty much can never not retreat.

Eliminate Automatic Immunity - Must prove your innocence AND that you could not retreat, or pay, pay, pay…


Need to Prove Self Defense – About the same as the Immunity issue, except it would probably be confusing when some form of limitation to meeting force with equal force comes up.

My Overall Summary
First, absolutely none of this would have changed the outcome for Trayvon.

Second, they can't help to keep themselves from wanting more funding for what looks to be less policing conducted under a more expansive management system.

They note the people of color are "disproportionately victimized by violent crimes' as the black-on-black data that shows how that comes about is ignored, as they previously wish to eliminate any proactive profiling by LE that might reduce those numbers, and also want to somehow solve that problem by demanding people to only retreat when confronted by those creating the disproportionate numbers.

I've heard of over tuning a guilty verdict for another trial, but not a not guilty verdict. I would think that would amount to double jeopardy.

The Cyber lynch Mob spent a year and a half talking themselves into George's guilt. They have no idea about the facts of the case. They actually believe LIMPapa's silly video mashes and Papapinhead's ghosts in blank videos. Many just accepted the psycho who could hear 4 accomplices and a cockatoo... certainly nobody disputed that nonsense.
Some now say GZ should have been found guilty of Manslaughter... actually they have no idea why that is so.. they just want GZ to be guilty of something... anything. What they really want is GZ locked up. And of course then subject to punishment by (black) inmates who they think will brutalise, rape, and murder GZ. THAT they would see as justice... no matter WHAT the judicial system can make stick... get GZ locked up so that "their guys" can administer "their justice"
And those who say GZ was over-charged and the State should have gone for Manslaughter.... Really? Before the trial many (most) had whipped themselves into such a frenzy with what they imagined.. their cry was that it should have been 1ST DEGREE MURDER.

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