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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:21 am 
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A couple thought provoking posts on B29 from CTH:

Juror B-29 On ABC’s Nightline

B-29 Attorney: David M Chico

("thought provoking" ...the prosecution theory!)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:43 am 
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Good stuff, kbp! Thanks for posting!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:02 am 
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h/t mbtb for letting us know Oversized Watermelon Head had a segment coming up :Gslap OWH :Gslap So very much better than using the name he calls himself. Or, of course, there's always Al (may he be prosecuted fully and soon) Sharpton. ;)

I know my one little click of a mouse or tv channel means less than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction's fraction most of the time, or me typing someone's name on the interwebs isn't going to do much to enhance their google-ness, but I really do try to avoid giving these sometimes downright evil people/channels/websites any attention. Enough hits on youtube and these idiots get paid for their nonsense. But here it is:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:09 am 
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Speaking of hits on youtube...

"The Lynching" is now close to 1.2 million hits. Please be sure to "like" it on youtube if you have an account! Also please be sure to spread it around so as to get more hits - even at places where it's been posted previously. Not everyone reads back and some may have missed it. The more hits this video gets, the greater the chance the topic will get coverage elsewhere, kwim? Even just covering the video if it breaks hit records could help get the message out.



Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls
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If you click on the < you can auto post it to facebook, twitter, google+ and more. Please do!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:35 am 
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I agree with this characterization - she was definitely coaxed into soundbytes, imo:


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seeing_eye wrote:
It's obvious to me that B29 wanted to convict Zimmerman based on her emotions rather than on the evidence, but was convinced by the other jurors to consider ONLY the evidence. She's still upset because of her emotions, emotions stirred in her by the media that was twisting facts to get higher ratings. Her emotions are also formed by her preconceived notion that anytime a person shoots and kills another person, they (automatically) should be charged with a crime. She's not aware of how the law operates in those cases.

BTW, in reading many comments about this case, it has become apparent to me that a good many (more than I would have guessed) have the opinion that killing someone automatically makes one a murderer and should be arrested and charged immediately without any furthe ado. To them, the killing is all the evidence needed. These people are obviously not aware that all murders are homicides, but all homicides are not murder. I don't think the idea of self defense has any effect upon their logic or opinion.


Well it's very scary when I've heard many people have say if someone is charged they must be guilty. And I agree with you that I think she may be led by her emotions. Or if she's from Chicago then go figure.


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Hi, packy! Nice to cyber-see you!

I used to be one of those people - before this case. I always thought if someone was charged, there was evidence to support the charge. And I'm very frightened of the legal system now.

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flareon wrote:

Who can ever forget this clownish woman? LOL I do a good imitation of her "hunted down like a rabid dog" rhetoric. LOL

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... y-Profiled


Hi, flareon! Sorry I missed you. And your impersonation! :Gslap

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seeing_eye wrote:
It's obvious to me that B29 wanted to convict Zimmerman based on her emotions rather than on the evidence, but was convinced by the other jurors to consider ONLY the evidence. She's still upset because of her emotions, emotions stirred in her by the media that was twisting facts to get higher ratings. Her emotions are also formed by her preconceived notion that anytime a person shoots and kills another person, they (automatically) should be charged with a crime. She's not aware of how the law operates in those cases.

BTW, in reading many comments about this case, it has become apparent to me that a good many (more than I would have guessed) have the opinion that killing someone automatically makes one a murderer and should be arrested and charged immediately without any furthe ado. To them, the killing is all the evidence needed. These people are obviously not aware that all murders are homicides, but all homicides are not murder. I don't think the idea of self defense has any effect upon their logic or opinion.


Hi, seeing_eye! Now that we've seen part of the interview, it appears to me that at least some of her answers were coached. And from what I've been reading, I think she was not only led by Roberts' questions, but coached by her lawyer too. I suspect there her statements are mostly motivated by cashing in, but also at least in some part a CYA move. To figure this out, we need more info, and in time, I suspect we'll get it, kwim?

Good point that not all homicides are murder, and that many people don't think things through. Many don't take the next step, they stop at, in this case, kill=murder.

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I am extremely frightened....for all of us. (And to think I never gave a second thought to politics or how the government was run before I began researching for the Zimmerman trial...but then my eyes were opened.)


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I do follow politics more closely than most, but wow! were my eyes opened by this case. And very, very frightened for all of us.

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Wouldn't it be a great thing, a silver lining in this mess, if the injustice suffered by GZ caused more people to pay attention to politics and become active in policing our government?

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MarkOMara wrote:
Why Zimmerman Juror B-29 Is A Model Juror

A number of people have been asking for our response to Juror B-29’s remarks during ABC’s Robin Roberts' interview about the Zimmerman verdict. The big headline from the story is “George Zimmerman got away with murder,” but that is an inaccurate distillation of Juror B-29's statements. Rather, the substance of the juror’s other comments are more complicated and nuanced. Here’s a key exchange that got my attention:

Juror B-29 says, “For myself, he’s guilty, because the evidence shows he’s guilty.”

Robin Roberts asks for a clarification, “He’s guilty of?”

Juror B-29 responds, “Killing Trayvon Martin. But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can’t say he’s guilty.”

We acknowledge, and always have, that George killed Trayvon Martin. Over the last 15 months, we’ve heard from a lot of people who feel that anytime a life is lost at someone’s hands, the person responsible is guilty of SOMETHING. Indeed, it is natural to feel this way. In a self-defense case, however, that fact that the defendant committed a homicide is stipulated -- it is undisputed. However, self-defense is one of the instances under the law when homicide is justifiable. People may disagree with self-defense laws, but a juror’s job is not to decide what a law should be, her job is to apply the facts presented at trial to the laws they are instructed about. Based on her statement, it seems Juror B-29 looked at the law, and whether or not she agreed with the law, she did her job and made her decision on a legal basis. This is the essence of what we seek in a juror: the ability to use one’s common sense, apply the law to the facts, agree not to be swayed by sympathy or emotion, no matter how loudly it’s argued by the prosecutors, and decide a lawful and fair verdict.

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AndrewBranca wrote:
When Is Evidence of Your Attacker’s Character Admissible In Court?

During the Zimmerman trial there was considerable consternation among much of the pubic that the trial judge, Debra Nelson, had excluded certain evidence about Trayvon Martin’s past, including his apparent drug use, illegal firearms dealing, passion for “street fighting”, among other pleasant character traits.

Now that the trial has ended in a not guilty verdict Judge Nelson’s evidentiary decisions will never face the scathing reversals they so richly deserve, and I won’t seek to revisit them here. Those decisions do, however, raise some more general evidentiary questions in the context of the law of self-defense. In particular, they raise the question of when, and why, you might be able to introduce into evidence information about the character of the person against whom you used defensive force.

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packy wrote:
Well it's very scary when I've heard many people have say if someone is charged they must be guilty. And I agree with you that I think she may be led by her emotions. Or if she's from Chicago then go figure.

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Hi, packy! Nice to cyber-see you!

I used to be one of those people - before this case. I always thought if someone was charged, there was evidence to support the charge. And I'm very frightened of the legal system now.


Good afternoon y'all :51
The British (US) judicial system is supposed to be such that people are NOT charged unless there is some evidence of guilt (probable cause). So.. it is actually a fact that the most likely result is "GUILTY". That is, we don't just pick a random person to try.. with 50/50 chance of guilt :)
However, we have long since incorporated a "pay off matrix" in regards outcomes... put simply, we regard the conviction of an innocent man as so undesirable that we err on the side of caution.. and so will accept that on occasions a guilty man may go free.
THAT is how the system is!!!
That is why there is such a high burden on Prosecutors.... Defendant presumed innocent, and the burden on the Prosecution to prove a case BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

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Sorry, I forgot who first posted or pm'd this, but thank you!

JohnNolte wrote:
How CNN Disgraced Itself More Than Any Other News Outlet

Based on history, most media watchers would probably expect NBC News to win the award for the most shameful coverage of George Zimmerman, the 29 year-old Florida man recently acquitted for the tragic shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin. But an objective look at the coverage from major print, online, and broadcast outlets, makes clear that by a fairly safe margin, CNN is most deserving of this win.

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Any one that takes the time to read Florida's Justified Use of Force statute will realize that the prosecution failed to uphold the law and in fact violated it when they arrested, charged, and prosecuted GZ.

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html

Please take note of the following excerpts:

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force

As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.


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Good morning, Rumpole! :)

I understand the system and the burden. What's frightening is inflicting the process on someone who was clearly innocent, in order to appease a mob astroturfed by unethical lawyers and unscrupulous activists out for the same thing - no, not justice, MONEY.

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George Zimmerman's Brother: Civil Lawsuit 'Might Not Be Very Flattering' To Trayvon Martin's Family
If Trayvon Martin's family decides to file a wrongful-death suit against George Zimmerman, they could be opening a Pandora's box, according to Zimmerman's older brother.

"A myriad of things that were off-limits in a criminal trial would come into play in a civil case. Specifically, things that might not be very flattering to Trayvon or his family," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said in an email to The Huffington Post.

George Zimmerman, a 29-year-old former neighborhood watch volunteer, was acquitted earlier this month of all criminal charges in the 2012 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Prior to the start of Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, the judge overseeing the case ruled that lawyers for Zimmerman could not mention Martin's alleged history of fighting or pictures of drugs and guns found on his cell phone.

"Public opinion was swayed by a false presentation of this case from the beginning," Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara said at a press conference after the ruling. "The Martin family, through their handlers, presented a picture of who Trayvon was and who George was that is wholly inaccurate."

More... http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3659826/


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Spotted at CTH...... :)

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