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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:47 am 
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I think West should go to SPD, SAO, or FDLE - whomever has custody of Zimmerman's property - and demand its release. Then West should file a pleading with whatever court controls the matter (Nelson? DCA? SCOFLA?) to demand its release. Force the State to force the DOJ to produce a legal basis for its "hold".


I'm hoping they don't release the evidence for now -- that includes Trayvon's phone, which I'm assuming would also be released to his family - with all the original texts and photos,etc. Although host Rumpole assured me above my concerns were unfounded that evidence would be destroyed if the government got its hands on it (the defense was given a copy of the encoded data), though I'm not a tech guy I think there may be other evidence still on the phone not included in that file. For instance recoverable info on the date/time for the deleted files, which could indicate who deleted them (Lawyer Crump, for instance).

So, if the government, or the Martin family, manages to circumvent the Florida immunity laws, and George finds himself in court again, I would think his defense would want uninhibited access to the phone itself for further forensic investigation

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:17 pm 
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I just discovered that RJ speaks English, Spanish and Hatian Creole....The Hatian Creole could very well explain why she is very hard to understand. Her last name did seem French to me...makes sense.


She's hard to understand when she wants it to be hard to understand her.
She was understandable in the recent interviews favorable to her...
And certainly understandable to Trayvon during those long hours of tedious phone conversations.

And tho butchered with ghetto slang her tweets (before they were removed; still available if you google them) are understandable too.

What seldom if ever was brought up at trail, or in any of the following puff interviews, is the fact that she was drunk a good portion of the time -- the removed tweets are filled with booze references. Other tweets from her contemporaries - black girls her age tweeting with and about her - confirm she was a boozer (there may have been a link to one of those tweeters here, some time back). And many of her tweet girl-pals wrote very negative comments about her veracity, looks, and intelligence.

Her drinking excesses are the reason I have little confidence in the accuracy of her recollections of the final phone conversations with Trayvon. And also makes me think the reason she didn't call back after the last disconnect, when she claims she head the confrontation between George and Trayvon, is that it never happened, or if so she was too drunk to follow up with another call.

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I just discovered that RJ speaks English, Spanish and Hatian Creole....The Hatian Creole could very well explain why she is very hard to understand. Her last name did seem French to me...makes sense.


:Gslap RJ likely speaks Spanish and Haitian Creole as well as she speaks ebonics English, imo. Each of her parents have a different first language, one Spanish, one Creole, so it's normal and expected, imo, she'd pick up both languages from them and other relatives. I just highly doubt she's fluent in either. Keep in mind, she has lived in Florida her entire life and attended Florida public schools for 13-15 years.

The "three languages" was Piers' "proof" that RJ is a "smart cookie" as he claimed in the video posted on page 3, when Piers was getting torn up by Larry Elders.

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I grew up in a Polish environment. My mother and father both came from Poland in the 30's. Although I was born on the south side of Chicago, and grew up in Indiana (NW, the region, just south of Chicago), I had a Polish accent. From birth to 6, I was spoken to by parents who, although they spoke English, had broken accents and certain ways they pronounced their words. I picked up on this. Over the years, it has subsided, but it's still there. Along with a very prominent Chicago accent that I'm in speech therapy for, to help it go away, as I'm constantly being asked "where are you from ?" So, I could understand how she could pick up on a Spanish accent and a Creole accent.

(I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt I guess)


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jayjerome wrote:

I'm hoping they don't release the evidence for now -- that includes Trayvon's phone, which I'm assuming would also be released to his family - with all the original texts and photos,etc. Although host Rumpole assured me above my concerns were unfounded that evidence would be destroyed if the government got its hands on it (the defense was given a copy of the encoded data), though I'm not a tech guy I think there may be other evidence still on the phone not included in that file. For instance recoverable info on the date/time for the deleted files, which could indicate who deleted them (Lawyer Crump, for instance).

So, if the government, or the Martin family, manages to circumvent the Florida immunity laws, and George finds himself in court again, I would think his defense would want uninhibited access to the phone itself for further forensic investigation


I'm neither a tech nor a guy, but Rumpole is correct - the defense has the entire .bin file which has the info. If there is other info on there, which if I understand correctly is not possible, and if that info is deleted or say, if the phone is flat-out destroyed, that may be worse than whatever info was there, kwim? How bad would that look in court if GZ's lawyers demand access to that phone and find the .bin file or anything else is smaller, or different, meaning something was changed or deleted? Inferences can be drawn from Trayborg™ tampering with evidence, particularly evidence this important.
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jayjerome wrote:

She's hard to understand when she wants it to be hard to understand her.
She was understandable in the recent interviews favorable to her...
And certainly understandable to Trayvon during those long hours of tedious phone conversations.

And tho butchered with ghetto slang her tweets (before they were removed; still available if you google them) are understandable too.

What seldom if ever was brought up at trail, or in any of the following puff interviews, is the fact that she was drunk a good portion of the time -- the removed tweets are filled with booze references. Other tweets from her contemporaries - black girls her age tweeting with and about her - confirm she was a boozer (there may have been a link to one of those tweeters here, some time back). And many of her tweet girl-pals wrote very negative comments about her veracity, looks, and intelligence.

Her drinking excesses are the reason I have little confidence in the accuracy of her recollections of the final phone conversations with Trayvon. And also makes me think the reason she didn't call back after the last disconnect, when she claims she head the confrontation between George and Trayvon, is that it never happened, or if so she was too drunk to follow up with another call.


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Great point about RJ's drinking. But don't forget one of my pet theories - that RJ egged on TM™ to fight, calling him a "mama's boy" etc. I think that's why she had "guilt" and also why she didn't want to get involved. Her entire pattern of behavior after getting off the phone with TM™ was of someone with something to hide - something big, imo.

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Here in Miami, court papers have to be filed (Summons anyway) in THREE LANGUAGES:
English, Spanish & Creole.

I think Precious spoke mostly Ebonics-making her Quadlingual. Such a genius :84

Well....the protests are scheduled for tomorrow-Thugboy's Daddy is going to be here at the Federal Courthouse. We've been having A LOT of rain, and I'm hoping it continues-which is forecasted.


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Palm305 wrote:
Here in Miami, court papers have to be filed (Summons anyway) in THREE LANGUAGES:
English, Spanish & Creole.

I think Precious spoke mostly Ebonics-making her Quadlingual. Such a genius :84

Well....the protests are scheduled for tomorrow-Thugboy's Daddy is going to be here at the Federal Courthouse. We've been having A LOT of rain, and I'm hoping it continues-which is forecasted.


Hi, Palm305! "Precious" :Gslap

I'm with you - I hope the protests are rained out. I've heard/read that turnout (so far) hasn't been nearly what the Trayborg™ hoped and that Sharpton (who should be prosecuted!!) has been having to work overtime trying to gin up turnout.

But I'm curious, not much violence or looting down your way or just not getting reported enough outside of the local area for me to have seen it?

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Mark Steyn is in for Rush today. Talking about how Obama and other wealthy people go to great lengths to avoid people who 'look like TM™. Says Obama is not claiming TM™ could have grown up to be Obama, which Steyn disputes vehemently, because the wealthy and connected people would have nothing to do with him and implying TM™ wasn't going to try to get out of his culture.

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I haven't seen ANYTHING here. There was a little something last Sunday at Bayfront park, the usual suspects, but it didn't look to be over 100 people at most!

We have many clients from Miami Gardens (rich in criminals) and know the area and people too well. There's just NOTHING going on as far as I see.


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It use to be color of law for civil rights violations, but I have now heard hate crimes was added around 2004 to nail civilians. Is that true? Since I had retired in 2001 I didn't pay any attention to that.

Trayparents still don't get it. How could they sit through the trial and learn nothing?

The juror said they didn't hear much about Traythug and didn't know him well. Traymom said they knew enough to convict. She knows why evidence to his character wasn't brought up. It's time to release all the evidence the defense has about him. Leak it FGS!!

The defense did a good job keeping out the St Hoodie crap. They tied the state up on doing that.


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Palm305 wrote:
I haven't seen ANYTHING here. There was a little something last Sunday at Bayfront park, the usual suspects, but it didn't look to be over 100 people at most!

We have many clients from Miami Gardens (rich in criminals) and know the area and people too well. There's just NOTHING going on as far as I see.


Advice please. I have a rare opportunity to see my son Sunday and Monday in Jacksonville, and I have been concerned about going from Lakeland through Orlando after the rally or whatever being held tomorrow. I figure it will stir thing up if they aren't already. What do you think? :78


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Palm305 wrote:
I haven't seen ANYTHING here. There was a little something last Sunday at Bayfront park, the usual suspects, but it didn't look to be over 100 people at most!

We have many clients from Miami Gardens (rich in criminals) and know the area and people too well. There's just NOTHING going on as far as I see.


That's terrific! Not only great for you and your community, but it also lends a bit of credence to Sharpton (who should be prosecuted!) having trouble ginning up turnout. Trayborg™ must be so disappointed... :Gslap

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liesel wrote:

That foreigner - the one on the payroll to help people outside his country better understand how they're wrong - stated at the end 5 of 6 jurors being white was an imbalance. I've never heard of jury imbalance addressed as a problem for anyone other than the defendants. I assume he was complaining that the 17% of the jury ID'd as black/Hispanic was not fair to TrayFamily, while less than 13% of the population in the US is AA.


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It's time to release all the evidence the defense has about him. Leak it FGS!!



Nah. Just blame the all white prosecution team for failing to present all of the evidence about Saint Trayvon's good character.


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gummybear wrote:
I just discovered that RJ speaks English, Spanish and Hatian Creole....The Hatian Creole could very well explain why she is very hard to understand. Her last name did seem French to me...makes sense.

I'm challenging that claim...

Can your source verify that she speaks English?


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Obama: 'Trayvon Martin could have been me'

President Barack Obama said Friday that "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago" in his first live comments since the verdict last weekend in the case of Martin's shooting death last year.

Americans, Obama said, are aware of the "history of racial disparity in our criminal laws" in the country.

He added that a perception of the Trayvon Martin killing exists in the African-American community that "if a white male teen was involved in the same scenario, top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

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Video at link in title.

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liesel wrote:
Again, I have no desire to give anyone who would lie in general, much less who would lie under oath, with the hope of destroying an innocent man's life and causing him to be in prison for the decades, the benefit of anything but scorn.


Yes. What you said. All of it. :83


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It use to be color of law for civil rights violations, but I have now heard hate crimes was added around 2004 to nail civilians. Is that true? Since I had retired in 2001 I didn't pay any attention to that.

Trayparents still don't get it. How could they sit through the trial and learn nothing?

The juror said they didn't hear much about Traythug and didn't know him well. Traymom said they knew enough to convict. She knows why evidence to his character wasn't brought up. It's time to release all the evidence the defense has about him. Leak it FGS!!

The defense did a good job keeping out the St Hoodie crap. They tied the state up on doing that.


Yes, it's true that "hate crimes" are against federal and state law. If there was any evidence of this, GZ would have been charged by Corey. There's not.

Trayparents™ are scheming and scamming, imo. They don't care about the truth, they care about the Benjamins, and I don't mean T Benjamin M™. They're still hoping/planning on cashing in, at least as the parents of a civil rights martyr.

Those who want the info already know it. Those who don't, won't care anyway and will use it as further evidence of how unfairly TM™ was/is treated. At some point, hopefully, a movie will be made with the cooperation of GZ and the defense, told from their pov. Good luck getting the Piers, Hostins, Graces, etc. to report the truth about TM™, no matter who releases it.

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John_Galt wrote:

Nah. Just blame the all white prosecution team for failing to present all of the evidence about Saint Trayvon's good character.


I like that too, but the prosecution team is getting away with what they did. The media is giving Corey a pass on malicious prosecution.


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