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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:42 am 
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They are of the Borg. :(

How long has this been going on? :40 And, still, I am sitting here being incredulous (hmm, grammar?) that they can lie and lie and lie. I was totally blown away tonight by Traymom saying (I don't even know on which show) that the B37 juror could not even say she related to the teenagers and their "culture", like it was some kind of racist thing. When the real reason is it is a low life culture of sex, drugs, violence and hate. How can you relate to that if you are not of that culture? Why would you want to? :doh Where am I? Who am I? What am I doing? :98 Maybe sleep will bring back some degree of sanity. :94 Maybe not. :wall Okay, another glass of wine. Then sleep. :94

Well, I hope you have better luck than I did a couple of nights ago. I was in about the same mood as you describe from the things I had seen that was totally unbelievable to be happening in our country, that I was unable to even sleep! I was so stirred up that I could not relax enough to even sleep a wink. Next day I never even took a nap either. Still too torn up. Thank God, I've been able to sleep the last couple of days so I guess I'm calming down. But this is just too much for me to fathom. These things we've been watching just do not happen in the USA! But .....yet....... We are a country of laws. Or at least we were.


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Trayvon Martin's Parents on Anderson Cooper CNN Part 1





Trayvon Martin's Parents on Anderson Cooper CNN Part 2



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:07 am 
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Same Interview posted at CTH...... Sundance suggests a much better line of questioning...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-506591

Trayvon’s Parents – The Truthful Interview Questions No-one Will Ever Ask (Short “30 minute” interview Version)
Posted on July 19, 2013 by sundance

First the basics:
My first question is to either of you Tracy or Sybrina: Where exactly was Trayvon living prior to his trip to Sanford florida?

Follow up – Trayvon’s aunt and uncle, Tracy’s brother and sister-in-law, have stated Trayvon was living with them, and their son Stephen “Boobie” Martin, at the time. Why was that?

Mr. Martin – Why was Trayvon in Sanford Florida at the time of his death?

Ms. Fulton – When Dr. Krop High School suspended Trayvon for the third time, did they tell you exactly why he was suspended?

Follow up – Did the school inform you of the marijuana and pipe found in his backpack by the School Resource Officer, Daryl Dunn?

Follow up – Did Officer Dunn or the School Administration inform you they hid the Marijuana and Pipe in their official report? Did they tell you they were going to identify the illegal items as merely found so they did not have to write a police report on Trayvon?

Mr. Martin – In your April 2nd sworn statement to FDLE you said you had driven Trayvon 1/2 way to Sanford to meet Brandi Green. However, Trayvon’s own texts show he took the bus, and was waiting at the bus stop in Orlando for Brandi to pick him up. Why did you tell FDLE something not true?

Mr. Martin – Were you aware that Trayvon brought marijuana with him from Miami-Gardens to Sanford?

Mr. Martin – Is your nickname “Fruit”, as known to your family, friends and Trayvon?

Mr. Martin – Trayvon and “Fruit” were discussing the purchase of a handgun via text messages. Were you in the process of buying Trayvon a handgun?

Mr. Martin – What exactly were you doing on the weekend your son Trayvon was shot?

Mr. Martin – When you called to report Trayvon Missing on the morning of February 27th, why did you tell the recording officer that you last saw Trayvon at 8:00pm the previous evening, when he was shot at 7:30pm?

Mr. Martin – Was the Police Department the first place you called when you determined Trayvon never returned home on Feb. 26th?

Mr. Crump – You said you contacted Al Sharpton shortly after finding out about the shooting from Tracy. Why was Al Sharpton telling his audience that Trayvon was a “John Doe” for 3 days after the shooting? His body was picked up Wednesday March 1st by the funeral director, and Trayvon was positively identified by Tracy around 16 hours after the shooting. Why the misinformation?

Ms. Fulton – You have said you were notified just before lunch on Monday 2/27/12 about Trayvon being shot and killed. Why did you not travel to Sanford until March 16th?

Mr. Martin – Why did you refuse to give the Sanford Police Department permission to access the phone of Trayvon on Tuesday 2/28 and instead refer them to your attorney, Mr. Crump?

Ms. Fulton – You filed a trademark application for Trayvon Martin’s name on March 19th 2012, done by attorney Natalie Jackson’s office. What was the reason for that?

Mr. Crump – If the voice on the 911 call was so important in your position. Why was Brandi Green never called to the stand to support Mr. Martin’s reversal contention of him never saying it was “not” Trayvon’s voice on the phone? According to sworn statements Brandi was standing next to Tracy, and behind Officer Serino, when Serino played the tape.

Ms. Fulton – You share a concern the jury could not relate to your son. Why were no school teachers, athletics coaches, or other school officials brought in to testify as to the innocent character of your son in the case?

Ms. Fulton – Were you aware the Miami-Dade School Police Department, specifically School Resource Officer Daryl Dunn, falsified incident reports with Trayvon in order to keep him out of the criminal justice system?

Mr. Crump – When you introduced Rachel Jeantel to the public on March 20th you said she was the 16 year old girlfriend of Trayvon Martin. We know from her testimony she was not his girlfriend, and never saw him prior to February 1st 2012, and further only saw him twice before he left Miami Gardens. Why is there such a different story?

Ms. Fulton – As outlined in court documentation, Trayvon’s telephone was under your family T-Mobile account is that correct?

Mr. Martin – So how is it that you discovered the phone calls with Trayvon from looking at your account, if the account was indeed not in your name?

Mr. Crump – Who exactly hired media consultant Ryan Julison, and what was the purpose for his official representation as family spokesperson on March 5th?

What further questions do you have?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:24 am 
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I know these interview questions will never be asked. Such an interview would not get very far anyway before the three walked out.
But some REAL JOURNALIST could find the answers to most of those questions… and publish a truthful account of “Who Trayvon was”….. not a smear piece.. just the truth… throw in the stuff about kindness to puppies as well (if there is any).
I saw another CNN clip (Stephanopoulos was the interviewer) where Trayparents were calling for the facts come out so that the public could see what Trayvon was really like. On this point I agree with Trayparents… I have a strong desire to see the facts about Trayvon come out too.

So…… lets get it done… plenty of spare reporters (if not journalists) at CNN and other networks… lets make it a race… who can get the scoop and broadcast 8:00PM prime-time tonight.

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Looks like there will not be any changes to the Justified Use of Force (SYG) statute in the near future.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gov- ... l-19709215

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But at the end of the meeting he told them directly that he supported keeping the "stand-your-ground" law intact and he would not call a special session.


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Rumpole wrote:
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Mr. Crump – When you introduced Rachel Jeantel to the public on March 20th you said she was the 16 year old girlfriend of Trayvon Martin. We know from her testimony she was not his girlfriend, and never saw him prior to February 1st 2012, and further only saw him twice before he left Miami Gardens. Why is there such a different story?

Ms. Fulton – As outlined in court documentation, Trayvon’s telephone was under your family T-Mobile account is that correct?

Mr. Martin – So how is it that you discovered the phone calls with Trayvon from looking at your account, if the account was indeed not in your name?

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"Catfished"
I must have missed Trayvon actually seeing Rachel. I recall she said he hung out near her home, but not that he had actually seen her in 2012. I was thinking he had been "catfished" and that means he would have stopped calling her when he realized it. Rachel mentioned he stood up for her when bullied by others, but we're not sure what to believe coming from her, especially in interviews on cable news. Do we know for certain Trayvon had seen her? If so, she must have been a connection for something.

Phone Account
I only recall IT expert/attorney Conner (name?) being somewhat uncertain who had the account. Do we know of "court documentation" that actually shows the account was in Fulton's name? Do we need to review the records Crump put out to see WTH was going on then? Who had the account?


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Rumpole wrote:
Zimmerman: Bernie coaches Rachel



I'm speechless! :94 :Gslap


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Good morning, all! :28

Funny jibjab, Rumpole, thanks! :Gslap

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So, I'm sitting here watching some videos, and I hear protesters chanting "justice for" and the reply, TM™. As I'm sitting here SMH it occurs to me that justice for TM™ would entail trying TM™ for the assault and attempted murder of GZ.

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I'm a bit behind in this thread...

Regarding the DOJ putting a so-called "hold" on the evidence in State v. Zimmerman, when by law Florida has already released its right and claim to the seizure of that evidence - including Zimmerman's gun - I must consider the Fourth Amendment:

Fourth Amendment wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


The State of Florida has released its claim on Zimmerman's seized property. The probable cause affidavit is now moot, since Zimmerman was acquitted.

So, in order for the DOJ to put a "hold" on that evidence, they must have a warrant to do so. In order to have a warrant to seize Zimmerman's property, a sworn affidavit or oath of probable cause is required.

So: where is the DOJ's Warrant? Where is the sworn affidavit or oath of probable cause on which that warrant is issued?

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A few pages back, or maybe in the #8 thread, someone mentioned Al Sharpton's weigh loss.

He attributes that to his new found Vegetarian diet and his 35 year old girlfriend....*raising eye brow*


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They briefly discuss GZ starting at about 1:45.


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seeing_eye wrote:
Are you sure Crump can follow all that?


Crump hires crackas to do the heavy lifting.

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http://parkscrump.com/attorneys/robert-scott-cox/


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Silly Chip... you think that dusty old piece of paper (what did you call it? Constitution or something?) controls? This is the new, "transformed" America... [/snark]

I've read that all evidence was immediately released, including GZ's gun. I've also read that it wasn't. Who knows? Many who are much, much smarter than I am have opined that the DOJ is just trying to calm down the Trayborg™ and have no intention of filing any charges; they know there is no evidence of anything they could pursue. I doubt there is any warrant, and am certain that if there is one, it's even less credible than Corey's PCA.

To me, this is all just more evidence for GZ's future lawsuits, including for violation of his civil rights. I mean, seriously - the DOJ setting up a fishing trip tip line? That really should be worth some big taxpayer money and if this were a just world, the jobs of Holder and whomever else signed off on it.

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eeewwww, gummybear.

I keep hoping this will finally be the time when Sharpton jumps the shark and it costs him.

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chipbennett wrote:
I'm a bit behind in this thread...

Regarding the DOJ putting a so-called "hold" on the evidence in State v. Zimmerman, when by law Florida has already released its right and claim to the seizure of that evidence - including Zimmerman's gun - I must consider the Fourth Amendment:

"Fourth Amendment"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The State of Florida has released its claim on Zimmerman's seized property. The probable cause affidavit is now moot, since Zimmerman was acquitted.

So, in order for the DOJ to put a "hold" on that evidence, they must have a warrant to do so. In order to have a warrant to seize Zimmerman's property, a sworn affidavit or oath of probable cause is required.

So: where is the DOJ's Warrant? Where is the sworn affidavit or oath of probable cause on which that warrant is issued?

I've searched the news for an answer to the problem you mention. The best I can come up with is my speculation that Bonaparte and his new SPD Chief are going along with some DOJ move to make this a headline issue that gives some hope for a Zimmerman II.


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