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Can't be manslaughter, he was a child not a man, at least that is what I heard on CNN.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:49 pm 
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SheStone wrote:
I think these jury instructions are bass ackword. Reasonable doubt, Burden of Proof, etc. one would think should be first, then self defense, then 2nd degree Murder, then Manslaughter.

At the very least I would expect Reasonable doubt, Burden of Proof, etc. to be first.

Agreeing with you again - definitely bassackards and they should have listened to MOM about doing self-defense first.

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I tend to agree with Hornsby on his tweet about it that said "Most likely 1-2 jurors are stuck on what constitutes "intentional act" for Manslaughter. Others likely agree on Not Guilty."


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liesel wrote:

Agreeing with you again - definitely bassackards and they should have listened to MOM about doing self-defense first.


Of course he did also say that if the Judge told them differently then what he said they were to go with what the Judge said. Soooo :wall


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So basically we will have to wait for the jury to respond with a more clear question of what their question is specifically in regards to.

That actually does make sense. It was a rather broad question from the sounds of it.


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Yet again, I agree with SheStone (who agrees with Hornsby). I'm thinking there is always one who is overly emotional and/or one who is overly anal - could be either one here. :)

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SheStone wrote:

Of course he did also say that if the Judge told them differently then what he said they were to go with what the Judge said. Soooo :wall


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It would be great if the question were along the lines of, "Can getting out of his truck constitute the 'intentional act'?"


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SheStone wrote:
So basically we will have to wait for the jury to respond with a more clear question of what their question is specifically in regards to.

That actually does make sense. It was a rather broad question from the sounds of it.
Aint it always the problem...


We KNOW the answer... need the question. :wall

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Nelson is writing a note to the jury, assuming that the jurors all read cursive. I think that's raaaaayciiisssst.


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MJW wrote:
It would be great if the question were along the lines of, "Can getting out of his truck constitute the 'intentional act'?"



What happened to all the legal opinion... that what led up to the event was irrelevant.


Once in a "scuffle" all that mattered is it was reasonable for GZ to fear great bodily harm.... even if he punched first.


The State has offered no theory other than the "Scuffle" with TM on top.


What's the Jury's problem?

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The note is sent back to the jury. The attorneys and Judge Nelson will wait 15 minutes in case there is a response.

6:56 p.m.
Judge Nelson tells Zimmerman the proposed answer. It says the court can address a specific question and asks them to submit it.

Judge Nelson will give it in writing to the jurors.

6:50 p.m.
The attorneys look back at the court record for the exact reading of the question.

6:48 p.m.
Mantei says he discussed an “almost” agreement with O’Mara.

He asks the court to get further clarification of the jury’s inquiry.

O’Mara says when there are questions of the law, the court can get clarification.

Judge Nelson asks for the wording to send back to the jury and they will wait for the response.

The attorneys will work on the wording and Judge Nelson is working on reading the case law.

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:Gslap :lol MJW "...getting out of the car..." Yes, it would be great! Bonus: Trayborg™ would also like it until they learn it's not what they think it is...

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John_Galt wrote:
Nelson is writing a note to the jury, assuming that the jurors all read cursive. I think that's raaaaayciiisssst.

I suppose the note will be destroyed after verdict?

She probably wrote: "The bastard is guilty... get on with it"

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