Breaking down the charges and sentences Zimmerman is facing

Second-Degree Murder

• The state must prove Zimmerman killed Martin and it was an intentional killing that was not premeditated or planned.
  If Zimmerman convicted of second-degree murder, he will face up to life in prison.
  If the 10-20-Life Law is taken into consideration, a second-degree murder conviction means Zimmerman will have to serve a minimum 25 years in prison.

Manslaughter

• The state must prove Zimmerman committed an act that caused death.
  If Zimmerman is convicted of manslaughter with a firearm, he could be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years in prison.
  Under the 10-20-Life Law, a manslaughter conviction means Zimmerman will have to serve a minimum of 25 years in prison and face a maximum of life in prison.

...more at link
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/bre ... aci/nYpC6/

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So George is screwed if the Jury find him guilty of either charge he will get 25 years to life.

As Hornsby points out.. ANY prison term is a likely DEATH sentence for George... he will be a target in prison.

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Interesting info/posts, kbp. Moving slowly this morning. (And so was/is my computer -daughter came over last night for help studying for final; wore out computer and me!) I probably need a lot more caffeine to fully absorb it all.

All of that being said, in true Trayborg™ fashion, I'll comment anyway. About MOM issuing subpoenas for social media info. Those sites are notorious for not complying with subpoenas, or even local court orders to turn over info. It would have been a very time consuming and expensive process without great odds for success, imo. Even if he could have been successful, what would he have gained? Would MOM have gained admissible info that helped exonerate GZ? Suppose MOM was able to obtain info that proved someone scrubbed TM™'s social media and whom. Was there any legal order in effect preventing his parents from cleaning up his accounts?

I would greatly appreciate seeing the scheme exposed and obstruction charges filed against all who played any role, no matter how small. I'm just not seeing how it helps get GZ acquitted. I'm not seeing how what Trayfamily™ did days and weeks after he died translates into admissible evidence. Probably just the lack of caffeine and info overload from last night with my daughter.

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So, Greta last night, discussing the jury, it was pointed out that one juror is married to a lawyer and another's son is a lawyer. It was suggested it's possible one of those two may have been elected foreman. They may plan to methodically go over all of the evidence, taking their role and oath* very seriously. If they do review most or all of the evidence, that's good for GZ, imo. That seems to indicate an unemotional plan of action and a fact based verdict being more likely, imo.


*If only the Anthony jurors had been as serious, less worried about media deals, and had bothered to look at any of the evidence!

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Good Morning All!
Yes! Two jurors have to go home to attorneys. B-76's son is an attorney and B-37's husband is an attorney. In jury selection jury B-76 said, "Sympathy is natural but you have to make analytic decisions." B-76 said, "I just follow the law." E-6 said about reasonable doubt, "The person faces prison" and "innocent people are behind bars."

Juror Profiles

B29: Juror B29 is a Hispanic woman who works overnight at a nursing home. She lived in Chicago when the shooting happened and has several children.

B76: Juror B76 is a white, middle-aged woman who heard about case on the news. She called it a "great opportunity" to serve on jury and "wants a fair trial."

B37: Juror B37 is a white woman in her 30s. She has three dogs, four cats and a parrot. She also works at a chiropractic office and doesn't watch TV. She spends her time rescuing wildlife and said the trial is a state burden. She also thinks concealed weapons training is not adequate.

B51: Juror B51 is a white, middle-aged woman who is retired. She said she has an opinion and is not close minded. She said she remembers police saying Zimmerman should wait but didn't. She said it's "good to know we can consider bias."

E6: Juror E6 is a white woman her mid-30's. A preemptory challenge on her by the state was denied. She used to work in financial services, and said she doesn't know enough of the facts to form an opinion.

E40: Juror E40 is a white, middle-aged woman who said she is a lawyer at heart. She also said she could steer jurors to only consider evidence set forth in court. You have a "responsibility if you bare arms," she said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/zim ... les/nYQnr/

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Just as likely as any other scenario.

I see no reason for hand-wringing. I see the probabilities as:

99% - Not Guilty
0.9% - Hung Jury
0.1% - Guilty

Like everyone else, I want a Not Guilty verdict returned, as quickly as possible. But the process has to play out.

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Thanks, LondoJowo, for the Dershowitz link. I agree with the points he made. I wish he'd do more than talk though, kwim? He knows how to file a bar complaint. I don't see him doing it. I'm also certain he'd be a lot better at framing the issues in the complaint and citing the specific authorities than would the average person on the street. But even though he claims to feel strongly about the state's lapses, that's all he does - he complains about their unethical behavior, rather than filing a complaint with the bar.

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Good morning, Palm305! Great points and thanks for looking up the juror info. Very encouraging!

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Due to the fact he isn't licensed in/doesn't practice law in Florida I bet he can't make a complaint to the Bar there. I think this is his way of speaking to them.

Thanks for the profile thumbnails, Rumpole. Very helpful.

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State Attorney Angela Corey fires information techonology director who raised concerns in Trayvon Martin case


http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013 ... rector-who

Hi Chip... back to speculating?

I go along with you generally.... but since the individual jurors are mostly unknowns to me... I would tweak the numbers a bit.
With 6 unknowns and it only taking ONE to hang the jury.. I would up the "Hung" percentage (just a guess)

Perhaps:
94.9% - Not Guilty
5.0% - Hung Jury
0.1% - Guilty

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Yeah, I think he practices in Florida regularly; appellate work iirc. He knows he doesn't have to be a member of the bar to complain. Anyone can complain. Literally anyone; they don't even have to be a Florida resident. Dershowitz is a very, very experienced lawyer and could put together a very compelling complaint. He also has a high enough profile that he could bring a lot of attention to a complaint, making it more difficult for it to be swept under the rug.

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Understood and agree there's no cause for upset at this time. And I like your probability calculation very much!

I wrote a post to you last night soon after you left. Did you see it?

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Here's a copy of the letter.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news ... inder1.pdf

Depends on prison demographics. Lots of joints are ruled by Hispanic gangs who would protect GZ. They have no problem shanking AA inmates.

Yes... I will certainly stay involved here at RT after this injustice is finally righted - though perhaps not in trial coverage. it wasn't my thing before the Zimmerman trial, and I can't say that following the Zimmerman trial this closely has endeared me to trial-watching.

Thankfully, RT is comprised of random topics.

As for blog posts: it's been almost a year since I've written anything on my own site...

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