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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:19 pm 
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Factors Affecting the Length of Time a Jury Deliberates: Case Characteristics and Jury Composition
Emperical Results ...Guilty verdicts take less time than verdicts that declare the defendant not guilty.
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Wow! I won't take the time to read it; will take your word for it. Weird it's the opposite of what I thought was common knowledge. Guess that goes to show how "common" my "knowledge" is, huh? :Gslap

I just hope that the predictions of fast acquittal are correct.

My personal thoughts are that the rate of convictions reflects why most face trials, they are guilty as all getout. So most fast verdicts are guilty because most fall into that category.

In the closer cases, the rate of time involved is probably closer to showing not guilty quicker, as it makes sense it would be more difficult to convict. I know what the stats say (debated this before) and I also know I could never find stats that separate the trials of close calls from those in which the defendant is obviously guilty (prolly impossible to do). I also think the general population of jurors trust the prosecutor more than the defense attorney (opposite of my thoughts!). Lots of factors lost that are not actually in the results of the study.

ADD: and there are always exceptions


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Ben Jealous(sp) at NAACP Convention. He says there is no plans to march on Sanford, but if George is acquitted, they want him tried by Federal Government for violation of Trayvon's civil rights.


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I have no respect or sympathy for the bio parents of TM. They brought in the race card. They had a sneaky, unscrupulous lawyer, Crump.

They never did anything to raise TM and now they only care because of money.


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When George is acquitted... I want a whole bunch of people tried on State AND Federal charges... none of them George.

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arkansasmimi wrote:
NAACP President asked to step down
Updated: Thursday, 11 Jul 2013, 11:54 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 11 Jul 2013, 11:54 PM EDT
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news ... -step-down


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The controversy started Friday morning. Breaux's posted a comment on his personal Facebook page about the George Zimmerman trial. The remark quickly spread.

"My initial reaction was that it wasn't true, that somebody had gone on his Facebook and had planted this," Riddick said. "I just couldn't imagine the president of the Norfolk branch of the NAACP making a statement like that."

"I wonder why it is that we are always willing to say someone who clearly had a shaky past, was the victim," Breaux asked in the Facebook post, referring to Trayvon Martin.

"I think this should be tried in the courtroom and not on social media," said former Norfolk NAACP President Bob Rawls.

Rawls says he is worried how the statement reflects on fellow members.

"If he had been talking to another person or two or three people and voiced his personal opinion that's different," Rawls added. "When you put it on social media so somebody in Florida, California, Oregon or New York is reading, this, that is wrong."

The post went on to ask if people are blinded to why Trayvon was staying with his dad and why he wasn't at home at at time of the shooting.
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Read more at link in arkansasmimi's post above.

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seeing_eye wrote:
I don't understand why the jury was not told the state lied to them in its closing argument (unless I missed it). When Bernie was trying to convince the jurors of the malice in George's heart and disregard of life, he stated the remark George said to the neighbor who was calling George's wife as, "Just tell her I killed someone." But according to the neighbor who testified, George said "shot" instead of "killing." Changing that one word gives a whole new meaning to the statement. That does not seem to me to be mere sloppiness on the State's part, but was a deliberat lie. I hope the jury caught it.

To add to what the others have already written and maybe jog your memory - MOM actually went into this a bit. MOM said GZ wanted Shellie to know that he wasn't the one shot, or that there had been some sort of accident, iirc. In essence, Manalo was not making it clear up front that GZ was ok, and GZ wanted her not to be scared about that.

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PS to seeing_eye - MOM also made the point that it sounded deliberately different the way Guy (lied) told it.

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kbp wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/11/justice-trayvon-audio-released-doj-member-urging-a/

:94 :94 :94 :94

kbp, I'm listening to Scheaffer and Warmoth at the moment. If you have a minute, I'd appreciate it if you'd post a brief summary of the audio linked in your post. No worries if you're busy or it's not so easy to summarize; I can listen later. TIA if you can. :)

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Ben Jealous(sp) at NAACP Convention. He says there is no plans to march on Sanford, but if George is acquitted, they want him tried by Federal Government for violation of Trayvon's civil rights.


Now that's a stupid statement from them. George is a civilian. He wasn't acting under the color of law like a police officer ect. Being a NW Captain doesn't qualify for that either. He was not sworn as anything. I don't think the Federal Government will be pushed into filing charges that are ridiculous like Corey did.

Unless they have another million man march on DC.


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Rumpole wrote:
Looks like a crazy ass cracka telling black folk to not riot if they disagree with verdict

Silly Rumpole... obviously that was a crazy ass cracka telling other creepy ass crackas not to riot if they disagree with the verdict! :Gslap

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flgirl543 wrote:
Ben Jealous(sp) at NAACP Convention. He says there is no plans to march on Sanford, but if George is acquitted, they want him tried by Federal Government for violation of Trayvon's civil rights.

Ben needs to be just a pinch more specific there.


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MOM on CNN

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara CNN's Martin Savidge

A series of videos

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v ... e.cnn.html


Mom on BDLR, Nelson, Rachael, Crump..... and more

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kbp wrote:
My personal thoughts are that the rate of convictions reflects why most face trials, they are guilty as all getout. So most fast verdicts are guilty because most fall into that category.

In the closer cases, the rate of time involved is probably closer to showing not guilty quicker, as it makes sense it would be more difficult to convict. I know what the stats say (debated this before) and I also know I could never find stats that separate the trials of close calls from those in which the defendant is obviously guilty (prolly impossible to do). I also think the general population of jurors trust the prosecutor more than the defense attorney (opposite of my thoughts!). Lots of factors lost that are not actually in the results of the study.

ADD: and there are always exceptions

Makes sense, thanks for explaining. :)

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The signs should say Ju$tice for Traydmark


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flgirl543 wrote:
Ben Jealous(sp) at NAACP Convention. He says there is no plans to march on Sanford, but if George is acquitted, they want him tried by Federal Government for violation of Trayvon's civil rights.

:wall :wall

Grrrr... that is just so wrong on just about every level. I'd bet quite a lot that he did not watch the trial and has no idea what the evidence actually showed. Looks like Chip was right again about the special people continuing their special treatment as mistreated martyrs after GZ's acquittal.

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I have no respect or sympathy for the bio parents of TM. They brought in the race card. They had a sneaky, unscrupulous lawyer, Crump.

They never did anything to raise TM and now they only care because of money.

Yes, and they also used race to inflame division and upset so they could collect money. Real people were assaulted in the name of J4T™. Real damage was done to property in their name too. And all of the taxpayer money spent, millions of dollars, to further their cause of getting rich off of (fraudulent, imo) lawsuits, not for any sort of "justice" for anyone.

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flgirl543 wrote:
Ben Jealous(sp) at NAACP Convention. He says there is no plans to march on Sanford, but if George is acquitted, they want him tried by Federal Government for violation of Trayvon's civil rights.


I would challenge the jurisdiction of the federal courts in this matter.

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So I have a dozen fresh strawberry cream cheese muffins, a fresh blueberry streusel cake, and a baked macaroni and cheddar sitting on my kitchen island right now.

(I cook when I'm nervous.)

Since I don't EAT when I'm nervous, I'm hereby inviting the RT gang over to devour this. If we don't get a verdict tonight, there's no telling how many baked goods are going to overtake my house. ;)

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chipbennett wrote:

I would challenge the jurisdiction of the federal courts in this matter.


I posted about this. I have up close and personal experience. GZ can't be double dipped on this unless he was working under the color of law for violating civil rights.


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