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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:04 pm 
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murderbythebook wrote:
I wish we had some tweets as to how the jurors were reacting to MOM and now to Guy.

Very similar reaction, with exception of tear(s), as far as I've read.

FWIW, Warmoth of WFTV reported B29 possibly wiped a tear, not that she was crying. Don't know who's correct on that one.

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chipbennett wrote:
Strangely, I don't remember the State putting on any actual evidence to prove that:

1) It is physically impossible to reach a concealed handgun with someone mounting you, at any position
2) Martin could not have seen Zimmerman's IWB-holstered handgun
3) It is physically impossible for Martin to have run off, then come back to circle Zimmerman's vehicle, then run off again

And the real zinger:

Guy: "This case isn't about Stand Your Ground. It's about not getting out of your car."

Yeah, I didn't see anything but Trayborg™ fantasy. And that is so wrong. So flatly unethical.

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Rumpole wrote:
I know there are plans to deploy LE in case of Not very Civil unrest (riots)....

But.... has anybody though to have armies of counsellors on hand to cope with splody head Traybots? :eek


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Cherpa1 and mung, glad to see you! :)

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seeing_eye wrote:
Oh, did they charge George with Getting Out of Your Car? I really thought the charge was 2nd degree Murder.

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guitarjeff wrote:
Here is my bigger question. Let's say the jury is moved EMOTIONALLY and finds hm guilty of something. It is the appeals courts JOB to make sure the jury actually used REAL evidence and not emotion? I am asking, I guess, what exactly is the appeals courts real job. Is it just to settle discovery problems and such, or is part of their job also to make sure the jury had and used reasonable evidence. In other words, if the state came out and said, "He's guilty, uh, BECAUSE HE'S A BIG FAT RACIST" and the jury believes this without the state actually showing beyond a reasonable doubt that he could not have been using proper self defense, is it the appeals courts JOB to make sure they DID NOT just convict because they believed he was a big, fat, meanie racists?

I'm fairly familiar with the general process, but am not the one to answer you. I will point out that the answer will cover about a dozen possible routes! Generally the appeal is about the process, not the fact finding the jury did, but that too has a few doors to make its way to appeal.


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guitarjeff wrote:
So which side would be happier if the jury comes back with a verdict fast, say 30 minutes or an hour?"

The thought is that it's much easier to acquit than convict. Fast verdict is usually good for defense. :)

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SheStone wrote:
Who "produced" this trial? What a term to use. Also it should be noted it was the State that "produced" the trial as to place and time, not GZ.

You're so right the state "produced" this farce by persecuting an innocent man for political reasons. :wall

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Rumpole wrote:
What a dork Guy is... no wonder the only Date he can get is with a Cabbage Patch Doll :lol

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Thank you! I really don't see why some are going on about him being handsome. I am not seeing it. Again, maybe cos I'm seeing all of that ugly that's inside him leaking out, but still...

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seeing_eye wrote:
It was definitely NOT the police department or a grand jury!

I heard that smack from here! GREAT points!

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auscitizenmom wrote:
The prosecution. Let the rioting, looting, and burning begin. :95 :95 :95

I bet MOM's objection was because he got word that was at the end of Guy's planned closing: "If you don't convict, it will be YOUR fault there will be all that rioting, looting, and burning..." It fit with the rest of his nonsense.

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liesel wrote:
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Thank you! I really don't see why some are going on about him being handsome. I am not seeing it. Again, maybe cos I'm seeing all of that ugly that's inside him leaking out, but still...


And I find West very attractive in his intelligence and passion, even though I usually can't stand defense attorneys.

Plus I dig bald dudes. My husband is always mystified but it's because he's jealous. ;)

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kbp wrote:
Did Guy say 12?

Anyone?

Yes, as Chip put it, Chad was Benjamin Buttoned (:Gslap), so that Guy could explain why TM™ didn't go home. No help there, would only endanger 12 year old.

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Wasn't able to watch this morning. Could someone please give me an idea how O'Mara did and was there any suprises? I would appreciate any feedback.


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guitarjeff wrote:
Here is my bigger question. Let's say the jury is moved EMOTIONALLY and finds hm guilty of something. It is the appeals courts JOB to make sure the jury actually used REAL evidence and not emotion? I am asking, I guess, what exactly is the appeals courts real job. Is it just to settle discovery problems and such, or is part of their job also to make sure the jury had and used reasonable evidence. In other words, if the state came out and said, "He's guilty, uh, BECAUSE HE'S A BIG FAT RACIST" and the jury believes this without the state actually showing beyond a reasonable doubt that he could not have been using proper self defense, is it the appeals courts JOB to make sure they DID NOT just convict because they believed he was a big, fat, meanie racists?

It depends on what the defense raises on appeal. No doubt they would challenge the denial of a directed verdict/Judgment of Acquittal. That would, imo, be granted based on lack of evidence to prove the elements to prove whatever charge the jury finds.

If that doesn't succeed, the defense would raise all of the errors made by the judge, such as not letting in the cell phone evidence. More than enough errors made to justify granting a new trial, or maybe even throwing the case out, imo.

So, yes, you're correct: It's the DCA's job to overturn a conviction based on GZ being found to be a big, fat, meanie racist who got out of his car.

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guitarjeff wrote:
So which side would be happier if the jury comes back with a verdict fast, say 30 minutes or an hour?"

liesel wrote:
The thought is that it's much easier to acquit than convict. Fast verdict is usually good for defense. :)

Seems logical, but the majority of criminal trials end in a guilty verdict, something like 95% or more in federal cases. That said, the longer the verdict takes, the more difficulty they are likely having with a guilty verdict ...good for the defense. But there are exceptions to every rule of thumb.


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