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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:23 am 
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Rumpole wrote:


Nelson should pray for a not guilty..... avoid all the appeals?

I think she expects an acquittal and that's why she is pulling all of the nonsense she has. If GZ is convicted of anything, and I do mean anything including not-yet-charged jaywalking, I may frame the opinion reversing her. I think it will be that good because she has been that bad.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:23 am 
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Judge Nelson addresses Zimmerman and makes sure he has the right to remain silent. She tells him he also has the right to testify and he should discuss it with his attorneys.


Sounds like she's telling him even though you have the constitutional right to remain silent, it would be greatly appreciated if you could testify so the prosecution can impeach your statements since they were so nice to enter them into evidence for you.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:24 am 
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Is it just me?
I can't get TCH to open?
Strange, after reading last night: what would you do if one day you tried to open TCH and got a blank?



It's just you..... I have the place open. :(

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:28 am 
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chipbennett wrote:
So, the State can admit inadmissible information to imply that Zimmerman was "MMA trained", because it was part of the "theory" of the State's case - yet at the same time, the defense cannot admit evidence that Trayvon Martin was an experienced fighter, even though it is relevant and inherently admissible, and is part of the "theory" of their case?

Reversible error.

Yes, exactly. Looks like most agree.

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Root says he is self-emloyed as a safety and law enforcement trainer. He worked in law enforcement for 22 years. He describes his work and training history for the jury.

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Maybe this is why the Donnelly issue wasn't covered. According to a tweet from Kathi Belich "John Donnelly was not subpoenaed until 8 days after he was in court for trial." "Was in court on Jun 25/Jun 26 and was subpoenaed as a witness Jul 4."

Although she does say she doesn't know how the Judge will handle it. I'm not sure there is much to handle if he wasn't under the sequestration rule.

Sorry I didn't see someone else had already posted.


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SheStone wrote:
What is the "contempt" issue?


If Donnelly violated sequestration of witnesses by being in court. There may be some punishment for the defense or the witness, like words/admonition, and/or other things up to striking testimony for egregious violations.

We can't just quote tweets here without some tinkering because then your comment gets swallowed up in the quote. A better way is just to refer to the tweets, paraphrase the tweets, or just delete the info about the person who posted them so the tweets stand on their own. Like [quote="liesel" and then the end /quote that will actually be in brackets [ like this] but I can't type it that way cos then it will not show up as text, but as a quote. :)

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Maybe this is why the Donnelly issue wasn't covered. According to a tweet from Kathi Belich "John Donnelly was not subpoenaed until 8 days after he was in court for trial." "Was in court on Jun 25/Jun 26 and was subpoenaed as a witness Jul 4."

Although she does say she doesn't know how the Judge will handle it. I'm not sure there is much to handle if he wasn't under the sequestration rule.

Sorry I didn't see someone else had already posted.


Mr. Donnelley, you're not clairvoyant? You didn't know on June 25th that you would be subpoenaed on July 4th?

CONTEMPT OF COURT!

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Root says he instructed courses on pepper spray use.

He explains a force continuum as a systematic approach to the escalation and de-escalation of use of force options.

Root says the continuum remains the same for non-law enforcement individuals but the options change because an officer usually has tools with them like pepper spray, handcuffs and more.

He says he was certified with DUI stops and created the training program for Riviera Beach.

Root describes the other certifications he has, including utilizing an ink pen for defense.

He says he worked for the Jupiter Police Department for a short time.

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I hope O'Mara has Mr. Root drone on like this for about three or four hours.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:42 am 
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I agree Chip... I don't know WHY defence don't take their time... call as many witnesses as the think will be any use at all... to hell with Nelson's schedule?

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Rumpole wrote:
Glad you made it :give

What worked?


I just restarted my MacBook! I don't know why I didn't think of that. :doh

Thanks! :17

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SheStone wrote:
Maybe this is why the Donnelly issue wasn't covered. According to a tweet from Kathi Belich "John Donnelly was not subpoenaed until 8 days after he was in court for trial." "Was in court on Jun 25/Jun 26 and was subpoenaed as a witness Jul 4."

Although she does say she doesn't know how the Judge will handle it. I'm not sure there is much to handle if he wasn't under the sequestration rule.

Sorry I didn't see someone else had already posted.

The more info the better. We also sometimes miss posts, so if it's posted more than once, more likely to be seen. :)

I agree, there's not much to handle but the state has complained so the defense has to show the circumstances and the judge has to decide if there was a violation.

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mung wrote:
So when the defense asks again for the directed verdict at the end of their case, can they use the case where the DCA overturned Nelson as case law? I sure would mention it.

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Risky, but yes, they certainly could.

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chipbennett wrote:

The only conceivable way that Zimmerman is convicted of anything is if the jury has been compromised.

I hope you're right but am concerned about the bias many have toward prosecution cases, assuming LE is right, and also concerned they may have heard of the Pinellas 12. We all know a lot, lot, lot more than do the jurors.

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Root explains the reason for his short time in Jupiter. He then took a position with the Martin County Sheriff’s Office as a drill instructor for the juvenile boot camp.

Root says he continued his education there.

He says he got his two-year degree in criminal justice, as well. He was given the position as the use of force specialist with the agency.

He became a state-licensed firearms instructor.

He also took over a training course called “Verbal Judo” which taught tactical verbal commands.

Root says there are techniques for handcuffing someone because it is restraining someone and potentially could cause injury.

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