Don't they need to depose Crump before end of trial, to prevent order for deposition from being ruled moot?

No samples from his hands? Only DNA under one set of fingernails, not even TM's on other fingernails.

Referring to judge's tirade an hour or so ago:

Only if you're into due process, 4th amendment and stuff... otherwise, the delay is a feature, not a bug.

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Did they swab the OUTSIDE of GZ's Truck... just to SCIENTIFICALLY confirm that he has been "outta his truck" at some stage?

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No blood DNA on flashlight..............there goes self inflicted damage...

Can't wait for defense to ask him if hands, gun, etc. exposed to rain could possibly wash off DNA

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Note Corey slumped in her seat

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You're correct, but since no one filed a motion for reconsideration, en banc, etc., it's as good as final and is usally treated as such. Without objection, of course, and the defense didn't indicate that Crump demanded they wait well past the time limit for filing anything to challenge the opinion before he could be deposed. If Crump had, they'd have likely made it known; it would have been so remarkable, and without basis.

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I remember that the judge told Rachel she was still a sworn witness - but - I don't remember the Judge telling Rachel to not discuss the case with anyone or stay off media pages, etc.

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2:50 p.m.
De la Rionda asks about the swab from the pistol grip.

Gorgone says he tested for blood and got a positive result. He says the sample was a mixture of DNA. He was able to determine the major profile as

Zimmerman. The last column is statistics from probability of DNA profile based on population database.

He says he wasn’t able to determine a profile for the other minor contributors, but was able to exclude Martin.

The swab collected from the trigger was not tested for blood. He says he did not get a mixture of DNA, but wasn’t able to determine a profile.

The swab collected from the pistol slide tested negative for blood. The DNA results were not a mixture. He was not able to include or exclude

Zimmerman or Martin.

The fourth swab from the holster tested negative for blood. He got a mixture of DNA. He was able to get a major DNA profile that matched Zimmerman.

He says he couldn’t determine a DNA profile for minor contributors and wasn’t able to include or exclude Martin.

De la Rionda asks about the fingernail scrapings taken from Martin.

Gorgone says he swabs the sticks used to test for DNA.

He says for the right hand, there was a positive test for the presence of blood. He says there was no DNA foreign to Martin.

He says the left hand stick was not tested for blood and he didn’t get any DNA results from it.

2:36 p.m.
Gorgone says he first does a chemical test for blood.

He cuts a portion of the cotton from the swab and tests it.

West looks over an exhibit De la Rionda plans to show the court.

2:33 p.m.
Gorgone says they were the known samples used for comparison in the case.

De la Rionda asks him to explain columns of the data.

The first column is the 13 locations he tested on the DNA molecule. An additional location shows the gender of the sample provider.

The next column shows Zimmerman’s data. The two numbers he says represent size fragments of DNA at the location. There are two numbers because one came from each parent.

The next column shows Martin’s data.

De la Rionda asks how a mixture would show.

Gorgone says a mixture in a question sample would show more than two numbers at the location indicating multiple individuals contributing to the sample.

De la Rionda asks about four swabs taken from George Zimmerman’s gun.

2:26 p.m.
Gorgone says he performs a random match probability test when he has multiple locations.

The different results aren’t evenly distributed in the population, he says.

He uses two different databases for this case: the FBI’s and Butler database, created by Dr. John Butler.

Gorgone explains the product rule as seeing the probability of the frequency for one event and an independent event happening together.

March 26, May 9, and July 26 of 2012 are dates of reports by Gorgone.

De la Rionda says he received swabs from Zimmerman and Martin.

De la Rionda shows him the evidence swabs.

2:18 p.m.
Gorgone says he sometimes gets a partial DNA profile, which can still be used to make some kind of comparison.

He says he has a question sample and a known sample, which is collected directly from an individual.

De la Rionda asks if markers not matching can eliminate a person.

Gorgone says it depends, a person can be eliminated as a match by markers, but sometimes there are mixtures of DNA which is a different comparison.

He says an indication of two or three people means he has to try to separate out the mixture into separate profiles.

When one person contributes more and stands out, he calls them a major profile.

When he can’t make individual profiles he can still compare.

Gorgone explains how he finds the presence of blood.

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The MAIN case for the State will be a fairytale narrative in closing statement. I cant forget the Baez epic with daily forced oral sex for school girl Casey with father George and also Caylee, in effect, committing suicide by jumping in the pool etc.... NONE of it shown by the evidence presented... yet the Jury bought it.

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Are they going to call a representative from "Arizona Beverage com"

Get this Iced Tea vs Watermelon Drink thing cleared up?

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Although, the judge did admonish the next witness that was told they might be recalled (can't remember the name).

I thought then...it's only a matter of time until we hear from Rachel on the net (at the link).

So why would the judge admonish one witness and not admonish Rachel?

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Speaking of...no testing of the can? Did he only test for blood? Is this the only DNA expert for the state?

This testimony could go on a bit longer and a proper cross will easily take a couple of hours.

IS Sabrina actually going to testify?

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3:02 p.m.
Gorgone tested swabs from the bag of Skittles and a flashlight.

DNA on the Skittles tested positive DNA from Martin.

The swab from the flashlight gave a negative DNA result.

De la Rionda asks Gorgone about testing the hoodie sweater Martin was wearing.

Gorgone says circled areas are stains tested for blood. He says the item was intact when he examined it. He did take three small cuttings to test for

DNA from three separate stains.

Gorgone says he documented what and when he did things.

De la Rionda shows the stain marked on the back of the sweatshirt. De la Rionda asks for the findings from stain A.

He says it tested positive for blood and was a partial DNA profile matching Martin’s. It was located in the front lower part of the sweater.

Stain B was on the left sleeve. It tested negative for the presence of blood.

Stain C was on the back and gave a positive result for the presence of blood but did not give a profile.

Gorgone says he also swabbed for foreign DNA on the cuffs of the sleeves. He tested it for blood first and was negative on the right side. He says

there was no DNA foreign to Martin on the right side. The left side was negative for blood and also tested negative for DNA foreign to Martin.

De la Rionda asks how much of the sleeve he as checking for DNA.

He says from the elbow area down to the cuff.

De la Rionda asks about examining the sweatshirt Martin wore under the hoodie.

Gorgone says he analyzed it.

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I have said from the beginning that the state has timed their case so the mother is the last witness before the jury breaks for the holiday. They have no control over the length of the defense cross, but they will stagger everything else to achieve this.

My guess is that they will also use "stagecraft" to have the screaming and her identifying it as him.

Foreign DNA on TM's sleeve couldn't identify and couldn't exclude GZ.