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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:08 pm 
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times Judge sustains defense objections? There was one. Blow dust off list and add, please. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:13 pm 
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12:13 p.m.
The jury is excused for lunch with extra time.

Court will resume at 1:45 p.m.

12:08 p.m.
O’Mara asks her about safety. She says it is a personal preference.

O’Mara asks if she found anything unsafe about the gun being carried loaded. She says no.

Siewert says she has toured the manufacturing facility.

“The gun functioned, yes,” she says.

O’Mara asks her about “racking” the gun, which puts a bullet in the chamber ready to fire.

He asks her about the extra bullet in the chamber and if it is usual.

She says she sees a wide variety, but it is not unusual.

O’Mara points out that law enforcement and military personnel do the same thing.

O’Mara asks about the shirts and the use of the word contact.

Siewert says there was no evidence the gun was pushed against, but was consistent with contact.

She says contact is defined as touching the garment.

O’Mara asks if the fabric was around the muzzle of the gun, there would’ve been different marks.

She says she would not have seen the same physical effects.

O’Mara asks her if she examines flesh wounds from the bullet. She says he only examines clothing.

Guy redirects.

Guy asks if the firearm used for self-defense could also be used for murder.

O’Mara objects.

She says 4.5 pounds is within the normal range of trigger pull.

Guy asks her about a live round in the chamber and how to get it out.

She says the person was would have to pull the trigger.

She explains what an external safety is.

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Wait a minute, this witness didn't mention the the hoodie was being stretched when the shot was fired? Or the shot was too high on the chest? Where the hell was LIMPapa's dummy video????? :doh


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That was a fun morning. Man, did the state get out of the instructor testimony fast or what? I believe that they damaged themselves badly this morning.


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Isn't this also the distance the trigger has to go to fire? This gun has a longer distance to travel I think. MOM?

I guess the pounds of pressure covers that?


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Things were moving so fast, it was impossible to comment on every post that I wanted to at least laugh at, or compliment, etc. So...

Great job today, everyone! Thank you for the comments, insight, updates and laughs!

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Rumpole wrote:
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What a Maroon..... he shoulda dressed as a cockatoo :lol

Faark!.... stayin yer truck.... faaark!.... stayin yer truck.... faark!


:Gslap :lol

If he's Trayborg™ maybe he thinks that is a cockatoo costume?

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LondoJowo wrote:
Wait a minute, this witness didn't mention the the hoodie was being stretched when the shot was fired? Or the shot was too high on the chest? Where the hell was LIMPapa's dummy video????? :doh

State no doubt saving that for "powerful" ending before they rest. :Gslap :Gslap

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Been lurking and busy, just checking in.


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Where is the ME???


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guywitharod wrote:
Been lurking and busy, just checking in.

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Where is the ME???

:Gslap at myself - I've read so much Trayborg™ narcissistic BS lately, it took several seconds to decipher "ME" was an acronym for "Medical Examiner". :lol

I'd guess after lunch we get ME and Traymom™, at least hope so, and the persecutors will be done putting on GZ's defense and the real defense can get to work. :)

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GZ said he knew nothing about SYG in Hannity interview. Did the state prove he lied?


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murderbythebook wrote:
Where is the ME???


I think it's "so" strange for the state not to put on the M.E. who performed the autopsy.

Can only think that the state doesn't want to provide the chance for the marijuana use to come out...especially the liver damage to come to light.

How do you suppose the defense will handle this during their case; address it or let it go?

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GZ said he knew nothing about SYG in Hannity interview. Did the state prove he lied?


I don't think so as the class mentioned self defense and I'm sure they referred to the law by it's legal name Chapter 776 "Justified use of force". Only the media refers to the law as the SYG law.


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GZ said he knew nothing about SYG in Hannity interview. Did the state prove he lied?


I'm not sure. I would lean more toward no. If they did it got lost in all the discussion of what they gained from the witness. Carter was asked by West and pointed out that SYG is the nickname and not the name of the actual law. Thus even if it was covered in class it may not have been called by the SYG name. I don't think he was ever directly asked if the term SYG was actually used in the class. Anyone else know?


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murderbythebook wrote:
Isn't this also the distance the trigger has to go to fire? This gun has a longer distance to travel I think. MOM?

I guess the pounds of pressure covers that?


Two different concepts. Trigger distance refers to the distance from reset point to fully depressed. (Reset is point where the trigger pull will once again engage the hammer or striker. Some guns have "play" in the trigger from the reset to the fully extended point.) Trigger pull weight is the pressure required to cause the trigger to engage the hammer/striker at the reset.

Defensive shooting teaches to fully squeeze the trigger, then to let it out only to the reset (which causes a tactile hitch or audible click) cor efficient follow-up shots. (The reset point is critical for the standard "double-tap" technique.)

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I'm not sure. I would lean more toward no. If they did it got lost in all the discussion of what they gained from the witness. Carter was asked by West and pointed out that SYG is the nickname and not the name of the actual law. Thus even if it was covered in class it may not have been called by the SYG name. I don't think he was ever directly asked if the term SYG was actually used in the class. Anyone else know?


I missed that part this morning, but heard legal commentator say it was mentioned and proved George was lying on Hannity. I think it was Jeff Deen on WESH. Also Tony Pipitone said the same thing. Are they taking self defense and making it into SYG? Deen spewed something about credibility, profiling, getting out of car, following, not following, blah, blah, blah, defense may have some problems... :eek (no, I don't buy it).


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