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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:19 am 
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STOP THE INSANITY!

This jackwagon with Schaefer thinks that Zimmerman saying, "that doesn't even sound like me" will somehow be relevant.

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What did the State THINK would happen if they called a main Defence expert who they were prepared to question to make THEIR points.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:21 am 
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chipbennett wrote:
STOP THE INSANITY!

This jackwagon with Schaefer thinks that Zimmerman saying, "that doesn't even sound like me" will somehow be relevant.


Most people under normal circumstances don't think a recording of their own voice sounds like them, let alone in a screaming life and death situation.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:21 am 
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Twilight Zone moment: Nelson actually overruled Mantei's objection, allowing West to proceed with asking Nakasone about groupthink listener bias.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:23 am 
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I think that's because later on when the parents listened to the tape again, they were together. Tracy said at that time it was his son.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:26 am 
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SheStone wrote:
Most people under normal circumstances don't think a recording of their own voice sounds like them, let alone in a screaming life and death situation.


I agree. My voice never sounded like my own voice to me on a recording. The state is desperate.


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West continues questioning Nakasone about a group listening to a recording for speaker identification.

West adds Nakasone’s CV as evidence.

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West tried to ask whether there's any good reason for group questioning. State objects repeatedly. Judge sustains.

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SheStone wrote:
Most people under normal circumstances don't think a recording of their own voice sounds like them, let alone in a screaming life and death situation.
murderbythebook wrote:
I agree. My voice never sounded like my own voice to me on a recording. The state is desperate.


I've heard myself speaking on a cell phone recording, radio recording, amateur and professional audio CD recordings, and television recordings. None of those heard as-broadcast sound the same as my own voice sounds to me as resonating through my own skull.

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Could the defense use his testimony to use other obvious comparisons like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tPKeKddfE

It is devastating how obvious it is that it is George. This witness, in a way, is saying that sometimes you can't really use scientific ways to tell and that sometimes just making a comparison using your human reason may be better. It seems like they should be able to play these comparisons based on this guy's testimony. Just have a listen to that link and tell me what the percentage is that it is George. I say it's 99.99 percnt sure and the jury would know it too.


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West tried to ask whether there's any good reason for group questioning. State objects repeatedly. Judge sustains.


With the question as-asked, Nelson is right: it's calling for speculation.

West needs to re-phrase to ask: "in your professional expertise, is there any forensic analysis reason to perform voice recognition in a group setting?"

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guitarjeff wrote:
Could the defense use his testimony to use other obvious comparisons like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tPKeKddfE

It is devastating how obvious it is that it is George. This witness, in a way, is saying that sometimes you can't really use scientific ways to tell and that sometimes just making a comparison using your human reason may be better. It seems like they should be able to play these comparisons based on this guy's testimony. Just have a listen to that link and tell me what the percentage is that it is George. I say it's 99.99 percnt sure and the jury would know it too.


Isn't that why singers use ear plugs? To hear themselves as to how the really sound?


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Nakasone: "Person screaming WAS in a life threatening situation"

Self defence for sure

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He was brought into the case by FBI agent (DOJ). This may relate some to why West was going to bias with LE agents.


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maybe the cunning plan by State is to call ALL the Defence witnesses to lull them into NOT bothing to present a case.. and hope like hell the Jury convict?

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Dr. Nakasone told the local FBI not to have #Zimmermanon9 try to do a reenactment of the screaming.

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West asks Nakasone about voice samples suitable for analysis and his decision for this case. Nakasone says his opinion is supported by colleagues in the scientific community.

West asks about the sample with screaming and the 45 second portion of it, the 18 seconds broken down further, and then the 2.3 seconds “suitable” for analysis. Nakasone says the 2.3 seconds is the “cleanest area.”

West asks about “phonetically balanced” speech.

Nakasone describe phonemes and their use in speaking. He says reasonable speech durations are needed and varies on the vocabulary of the individual, but by doing studies they determined they need around 30 seconds of conversational speech.

He says if someone yells for 30 seconds, it can still count as one word, or three phonemes, for example, making for a much shorter sample for analysis.

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