Within my notes on the Rachel testimony I had written Rachel said "in some closet - WTF????". My notes are left wanting for organization!

That is within my various notes about her selectively recorded interview with Crump, but sometimes West would jump around on her, so I'm not sure she was in a closet during that phone interview ...or why she would be if that's what she said.

Any here recall if she was in a closet then?

My recollection of her testimony is that she said that she was in a closet for her phone interview with the Scheme Team and Gutman (but I repeat myself).

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Thank you Mr. Vereen.

I hope your defense of Rachel also applies to GZ.

witnesses will always have “inconsistencies in statements,” but that does not always mean they’re lying


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/al-sharpton- ... the-media/

Anyone have the case law handy where it was ruled that being staggered was sufficient to claim you had no reasonable way to retreat?

Common sense will tell you that being straddled by the person who is assaulting you would prevent any reasonable means of retreat.

Thanks, and I apologize for having missed or plain forgot about it. Some things sink into my mind slowly, on occassion after reading it a few times!

Oh I know, but someone had linked a case saying that even being staggered from getting hit prevented reasonable means of escape.

Here what I just posted in the GZ thread at Anandtech, hopefully Mr sportage will reply to it.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... ount=60464

Florida is not a duty-to-retreat state. Florida statute has no requirement that one avail oneself of a "reasonable means of escape" before using deadly force in self-defense. Thus, I would consider that entire line of debate to be moot.

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I agree. It had come up so I mentioned the case law, and was met with denial that it existed.

I would have little trouble finding it again myself if I was on my PC, but on this tablet I was hoping someone would remember if being posted.

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Was the crime scene drawing used at the trial drawn by Diana Smith and turned over to FDLE for the crime scene measurements?

There are two different drawings and I wonder who did them?

I am trying to provide threads for reference material.... check out other threads in the Zimmerman Forum.

Threads locked... for reference only.. but please PM any info you think should be included

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN / TRAYVON MARTIN CASE
viewforum.php?f=48



For instance:

Key Players in the Zimmerman case.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=955&p=46287#p46287

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It's in Florida Statute 776.012 there is no duty to retreat. Did you have any luck finding a case in the reference section?

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There was a case that was overturned iirc, and part of the ruling discussed how it was unproven the defendant was the aggressor, and that even if he was, that he was hit hard enough to make him stagger meant he had no means of reasonable retreat.

So I was trying to find that case, as it seems to set a bar for what constitutes not having a reasonable way to retreat (to emphasize that even with the absurd arguments people make that George was the aggressor, he is well beyond the standard for not having a reasonable way to retreat.)

http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/stinson.pdf

Case cited in chip's sig.

The link to reference threads was a general reminder that there are reference threads. I did not see your inquiry when I did it.

I don't understand what your problem is? Crime scene sketch with measurements was in one of State discoveries (dont ask me to link). That sketch is in the Reference threads here:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=236&start=20#p10725


What difference does the distance of keys make? Is there a point that you have in mind?

I just did a bit of a search. Sketch is from State 2nd discovery... 284 pages. It is on page 145

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/- ... uments.pdf

There may be more detail in the 284 pages... if its important.

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FBI will be pounding on doors.

Now that Alicia Martin has opened up, I wonder if Sybrina will respond.

Cat fight?

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