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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:50 pm 
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West used Guy's drama..Trayvon was clutching his heart...to point out there would have been Trayvon's blood on his own hands...problem with DNA obvious...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:53 pm 
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Martin's clothing was package improperly. Should not have been packaged in plastic.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:54 pm 
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Now West introduces photo of Martin's pants, showing dirt on knees.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:02 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
West goes right into the forensics of the gunshot: contact shot to clothing, but non-contact shot to skin - corroborates Witness 6 account of Martin leaning over Zimmerman at time of the shot.


I thought witness #6 was back in his house, phoning 911 when the shot was fired

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:02 pm 
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1:34 p.m.
Judge Nelson asks the jurors if they discussed the case or saw any reports about the case over the lunch break. West starts by saying, "No more bad jokes." He says he thinks the delivery was not well done.

1:30 p.m.
Judge Nelson returns and asks for the jury to be brought in.

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jayjerome wrote:
I thought witness #6 was back in his house, phoning 911 when the shot was fired


WHAT is your point?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Where on that forensics map was the gun fired? Wish I could have seen that better.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:06 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
West goes right into the forensics of the gunshot: contact shot to clothing, but non-contact shot to skin - corroborates Witness 6 account of Martin leaning over Zimmerman at time of the shot.
jayjerome wrote:
I thought witness #6 was back in his house, phoning 911 when the shot was fired


Very well; I'll revise: ...corroborates Witness 6 account of Martin leaning over Zimmerman immediately prior to the shot.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:13 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
WHAT is your point?


Accuracy :63

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And now the state starts in with the objections again. They can't take much more of West's evisceration of their (non-)case.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:15 pm 
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OMG the tapes were taken out of evidence to be played again. I wonder who signed them out and placed them back into evidence.
West said an officer wasn't present.

I wonder if I am right about what I heard. The tapes were played for some political members of the City and Tracy and Sybrina again. That's when Tracy said it was his son screaming.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:20 pm 
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Powerful evidence, George's uncle recognizing his voice in screams.

Powerful opening, imo, going through evidence in excruciating (for some, especially the state) detail to basically put on defense case and/or thoroughly disprove state's case before they even start presenting!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:21 pm 
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murderbythebook wrote:
OMG the tapes were taken out of evidence to be played again. I wonder who signed them out and placed them back into evidence.
West said an officer wasn't present.

More detail please, I had to step away. TIA


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:22 pm 
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West says he wants to give the jurors information that may be technical or even boring.

He refers to Guy saying Zimmerman pressed the gun into Martin’s chest and that it is wrong.

He says forensic evidence is science.

West says the hole in Martin’s shirt is a “contact shot” because the fabric is shredded, along with the second shirt Martin was wearing.

West says the muzzle was in contact with the fabric.

He says contact shots are not very hard for an expert to know, and that is important because the bullet hole in Martin’s skin was not.

West says that means the clothing Martin was wearing was separated from his skin.

He suggests Martin was leaning over because gravity pulls the fabric away.

West asks if the jury remembers the 23 ounce can of Arizona juice. He says it was in the front pouch of Martin’s sweater.

West motions like he is pulling a gun. He says Zimmerman shots a gun with his right hand.

West says, “Yes, He did have the gun and thank God,” after telling the jury Zimmerman had a permit.

He says Zimmerman just raised the gun and pulled the trigger as Martin leaned over.

“My Guy also mentioned that there was no blood on Trayvon Martin’s hands at the time of the autopsy. That’s somewhat curious,” West says.

He says at the scene Martin was on the ground and the jury will know bags were put on his hands to prevent evidence from being contaminated.

He says no photographs were taken either.

West points out the only injury on Martin’s knuckle. He adds, “Bruising is a littler trickier.”

He says that its possible Martin was clutching his heart and says there would be blood if that was the case.

West says Martin’s blood is on Zimmerman’s jacket. He says the photos show there wasn’t a lot of bleeding.

“The absence of biological evidence or DNA doesn’t necessarily prove anything,” West says.

He says an additional problem with DNA in the case; he proposes is a mistake that may have affected the lab’s ability to analyze the DNA.

He says Martin’s clothes were wet from the rain. He says wet clothing is supposed to be packaged in paper so it can dry.

West says if that doesn’t happen, biological evidence can degrade and Martin’s clothes were put in plastic bags and sealed.

He says the DNA analyst’s notes described a strong odor and mold, but did not say how that would affect the evidence.

“There is enough DNA to show that these guys were face-to-face,” West says.

“The distance between the clothing and the skin shows Martin was leaning over,” he adds.

West says another piece of forensic evidence from the medical examiner corroborates what John Good saw.

It is a photograph from an assistant to Dr. Bow of Martin’s pants.

He points out the dirt on the knees. He calls it circumstantial evidence.

West moves on to forensic evidence at the scene.

He shows the jury a poster board he describes as an FDLE diagram of the scene. He says the data can be put into a software program that can recreate it mathematically.

He points out some of the things marked out on it.

“Marker number six is where Trayvon Martins body was noted,” West says.

Marker number eight is a cartridge case. That’s the spent casing,” he says.

He points out Martin’s phone and a flashlight, belonging to Zimmerman, but not working

West says police found a working flashlight on Zimmerman’s keys.

He says the little flashlight and key were found where the incident started.

“There’s obviously and important issued about the voice,” West says.

He says someone was screaming for help, and the idea would be to learn who it was.

West says Zimmerman told Officer Smith he was yelling for help.

“Can science tell us who was yelling for help, and the short answer is no,” West says.

West says Dr. Nakasone examined the recording and said there is not enough sample.

He says voice identification can’t be done for screaming.

West says age can't be determined from the screaming.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Ah... Hope Bigboi is watching... her dog caused all this... Trayvon would still be alive if she had kept her dog under control when she was told to.

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BigBoi! C'mon, names, names, West!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:26 pm 
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kbp wrote:

More detail please, I had to step away. TIA


I edited my post and put more in. Not sure I heard that right though.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:28 pm 
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Trayvon armed himself with the concrete sidewalk. Yes!!!


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