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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:39 pm 
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Corey knew the camera was on her when the gun shot was played, she and her cohort beside her both made an obvious show of a flinch.

No Rachel Gentile can be found on Facebook.



There's a Trinia Jones posting on OS..I'd love to find what Traybot she is...I do have an idea.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:39 pm 
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I think Crump probably told her to walk out of the courtroom during the scream call.

However, if this has been her general approach to that call... then it's no wonder she misidentified the screamer as her thug son.

If she can't bring herself to give it an honest, full, unemotional listening to really try to HONESTLY determine if it sounds like her son, then that explains a lot.

Tracy Martin is an emotional guy too but he at least listened to the call with an honest ear that first time, and admitted the truth.

Crump smooth talking and Sybrina bawling broke him down and he decided to change his story. There's not a lot of $$$ in admitting that your son was beating a terrified man and making him scream, after all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:40 pm 
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West stops the recording after the yells stop. He says the jurors will hear the whole call later.

He says everyone, the witnesses, agrees “those are the screams of someone in a life-threatening situation.”

West says that is the only recording that “shows what it shows.”

He calls it the best quality, but not that great because it was recorded on a cell phone about 20-40 feet away.

“It has some acoustic challenges, if you will,” West says.

West says other people heard “something going on.”

He mentions that another witness is wrong about what she believes she saw.

“She saw what she thinks was George Zimmerman on top of Trayvon Martin at the time the shot was fired and that Trayvon Martin was lying on his stomach, was face down,” West says, adding that it couldn’t happen because Martin was shot in the chest.

West says other people in the neighborhood will describe something similar but it was after.

He says the witness didn’t see a muzzle blast. He says Martin was shot and fell face down. He says two or three people saw what happened after the shot.

He says someone saw Martin and Zimmerman together before the shot and that person also called 911.

West says the man is named John Good and points out where he lived.

He says Good heard the screaming and went to investigate, and was outside on his patio.

He says the neighbor could see what Zimmerman and Martin were wearing, describing a “dark shirt” worn by Martin and a “red colored jacket” worn by Zimmerman.

West says Good thought he might be seeing a dog attack and it moved onto the sidewalk. He says Good say a person in a dark shirt “mounted” on the person with the red shirt.

West says “mounted” is a mixed martial arts term and says Good used the term “ground and pound” to describe what he saw.

West say Good yelled at Zimmerman and Martin to stop.

He says at that point Zimmerman cried out for help, but Martin kept hitting, so Good went back inside to call 911.

West says Zimmerman cried out for help, but none came.

He says they continued until the shoot and it stopped at the shot. “Why would there be?” West asked about the cries continuing after the shot.

He says a couple of people looked outside at that point and saw Zimmerman on top of Martin.

“My guess is the silence was deafening at that point,” West says.

West names another witness and shows where he lives. He says the witness arrived within seconds with a flashlight and saw Zimmerman staggering.

The witness took a picture of Martin’s head, West says, showing it to the jury.

He says the witness took other pictures too.

West describes the position Martin was scene in, suggesting it was because he was straddling Zimmerman.

“He was beating me up and I shot him,” West says Zimmerman told the neighbors.

West says the evidence will show Zimmerman had experienced the most traumatic incident of his life.

Officer Tim Smith showed up first, very soon after the shot, West says.

West says Smith asked who shot Martin and followed protocol in handcuffing Zimmerman.

He says the gun was in a holster on Zimmerman’s right side and shows a picture of it.

He says the gun is designed to be carried loaded and Zimmerman was “carrying it the way it was supposed to be carried.”

West says he followed training he got from a friend who serves as an air marshal.

West says Zimmerman was put in a patrol car while additional officers showed up.

He says a neighbor saw Zimmerman’s truck and was asked to identify the victim.

She asked to see a picture.

“Tragically, there was nothing that could be done,” West says about Martin.

West says the officer took a picture of Martin and Zimmerman to show neighbors and help identify them.

He says no one knew who Martin was.

West shows a picture of Martin at the 7-Eleven store. He describes the skittles and Arizona drink Martin bought.

West identifies the cashier and his height. He says Martin was well over six feet tall because of the shoes he had on.

He says Martin wasn’t skinny, but right in the middle.

West says a neighbor identified Zimmerman, but one didn’t recognize him because of his injuries. West shows the jury the pictures.

He points out an abrasion on his nose and marks on his forehead, a swollen nose. He says it suggests Zimmerman “took quite a wallop to the face.”

He says Zimmerman had just taken “tremendous blows to the head.” He says it’s an incredible case because Zimmerman never asked for lawyer.

He says Zimmerman was in police custody for several hours.

West says the paramedics cleaned Zimmerman up and one said he thinks Zimmerman should go to the hospital, but police said they would “deal with it.”

West says Zimmerman’s wife was allowed to bring him another set of clothes.

West identifies investigator Chris Serino. He says a witness statement included a sketch of what he saw.

He says Zimmerman was waiting after midnight.

West says Martin’s body was sent to the medical examiner’s office. An investigator with the medical examiner’s officer took additional pictures.

Around midnight, West says, an investigator took pictures of the gun and Zimmerman. He says they are not near as dramatic because hours had passed.

He says the pictures show lumps on each side of his head consistent with having his head slammed into the concrete.

West says a medical examiner expert will tell the jurors Zimmerman “had his head banged pretty hard on cement.”

“When you get your bell rung, stuff happens,” West says.

He says the police made a call that Zimmerman would not be arrested yet and Zimmerman, Mark Osterman and Shellie went home.

He says Zimmerman went to work the next day to tell them he could not work.

West says Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, had also attended to his injuries.

He says Zimmerman worked at a company called Digital Risk.

West says a coworker was stunned at Zimmerman’s appearance, describing him as “emotionally beaten.”

He says Zimmerman did go to the doctor and spoke with a physician’s assistant.

No x-ray was taken, West says, because there wasn’t a suitable machine.

West says Zimmerman met with police later that day to go over with what happened.

West says he’d like to talk about some of the physical evidence.

Judge Nelson says the court will recess for lunch until 1:30 p.m.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:41 pm 
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liesel wrote:

I'm glad you wrote what I was thinking. I can't feel sympathy for this lying, manipulative, greedy, fame junkie.


She is the bio mom only. Everyone raised him but her. :smoke


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:47 pm 
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Lets all sing during the Lunch Break.........

Georgie - Zimfan

:DN4 Georgie was protecting his own neighborhood
Neighborhood watch he did the best that he could

Trayvon was wondering around, acting just like he was stoned
Georgie tried to keep him in sight, until he got punched in the nose
Trayvon mounted Georgie and then, beat his head on the cement

Trayvon wasn't practicing no stand your ground
Classic self defense is what the jury found

Bashing the back of his head, and punching him right in the nose
He screamed for someone to come help , Johnny then called 911
When John left Georgie's heart it just sank, He could have used some purple drank

Georgie... I wish you were a neighbor of mine..
Georgie... I wish you were a neighbor of mine..
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Watching HLN - what a sham. The good news is that Jean Chavez(???) is falling into the same trap Diane Diamond and Nancy Grace did at the MJ molestation trial in Santa Maria, not only mischaracterizing the response to the defense statements but shrugs, faces and gestures to emphasize their disdain for the defense. OMG, Guy using "F" was chilling. Diane Diamond lost her job and reputation with this kind of stuff 7 years ago. This is coming back to bite'em when the Not Guilty comes in as the verdict. West is meeting this challenge head on.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:51 pm 
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cherpa1 wrote:
Watching HLN - what a sham. The good news is that Jean Chavez(???) is falling into the same trap Diane Diamond and Nancy Grace did at the MJ molestation trial in Santa Maria, mischaracterizing the response to the statements. OMG, Guy using "F" was chilling. Diane Diamond lost her job and reputation with this kind of stuff 7 years ago. This is coming back to bite'em when the Not Guilty comes in as the verdict. West is meeting this challenge head on.


BRAVO,,,Her gushing just now about made me barf.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:53 pm 
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Bernie has NO CASE

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I don't want to rain on the Happy Parade, but we haven't heard his case yet to know how he's going to try and spin the narrative.

For instance, West made a big deal about Trayvon being on top when he was shot, and George quickly scurrying from under him. But Martin was shot directly in the heart. Doesn't a heart-would like that cause a lot of blood splatter? But there doesn't seem to be any evidence of Martin's blood on George's clothes. At least I don't remember any evidence of it in the photos shown so far.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:01 pm 
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Bernie has no case. You seem to be stuck on past Traybot talking points? Asked and answered many times.

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For instance, West made a big deal about Trayvon being on top when he was shot, and George quickly scurrying from under him. But Martin was shot directly in the heart. Doesn't a heart-would like that cause a lot of blood splatter? But there doesn't seem to be any evidence of Martin's blood on George's clothes. At least I don't remember any evidence of it in the photos shown so far.


Two things:

1) I am not sure it is established that such a gunshot *must* produce a lot of blood spatter. The round punctured a ventricle, not an artery. The heart proceeded to pump blood into the lungs/cavity. Even after Martin was on the ground, I don't think any appreciable amount of blood pumped (or spilled) outside the body. (At least, I don't remember seeing any "pool of blood" photos.)

2) Lack of any direct evidence that Zimmerman was on top of Martin, combined with the ample direct evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, prevents the state from proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was on top of Martin.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 pm 
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The fact that there was little or no bleeding out from the wound was discussed ad nauseam a year ago. It's a fact. And it is easily explained/verified as quite possible... people who hunt for instance explained that a bullet wound can close and so bleeding is all or mostly internal. It was reported by EMT that blood only started to be expelled when they attempted CPR... a plastic bag from a resident was used to stop that flow. It is clear from TM's clothing that this was not a case a la Hollywood where blood gushes out into a huge pool.

I do not understand WHY these points are raised? What are people saying? Since there was not blood everywhere it somehow proves an alternative "state" version? what version? Picking at scabs in GZ's version does NOT then prove an alternative version. At best it leaves doubt.. and doubt equals defence win.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:17 pm 
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there wasn't much blood on TMs clothing

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They are back..... MOM has an issue he wishes to raise?

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Jury being summoned

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cherpa1 wrote:
Watching HLN - what a sham. The good news is that Jean Chavez(???) is falling into the same trap Diane Diamond and Nancy Grace did at the MJ molestation trial in Santa Maria, not only mischaracterizing the response to the defense statements but shrugs, faces and gestures to emphasize their disdain for the defense. OMG, Guy using "F" was chilling. Diane Diamond lost her job and reputation with this kind of stuff 7 years ago. This is coming back to bite'em when the Not Guilty comes in as the verdict. West is meeting this challenge head on.


That's why I won't watch HLN. Luckily, I can watch live-stream online and I'd much rather read the comments here than listen to those idiots on HLN.

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Since Nelson claimed to be Ignorant of the facts of the case... and she lives in a technology "black hole".... this presentation by West must be an eye- opener for her!!

Once she knows the facts she should dismiss this farce of a case

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WooHoo I'm glad a still from the 7-11 was shown. There he looks like the thug he is.


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West goes right into the forensics of the gunshot: contact shot to clothing, but non-contact shot to skin - corroborates Witness 6 account of Martin leaning over Zimmerman at time of the shot.

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West just explained that George thought Trayvon might be reaching for his gun ...working to eliminate that limitation on self defense.


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The ice tea, it is not being called ice tea anymore. It is being called fruit drink.


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