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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:51 am 
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liesel wrote:
It seems to me BDLR could come across as scared and trying to avoid educating the pjs or hearing what the pjs think. (I'm not phrasing this well, sorry.) Sort of like BDLR doesn't want them to know what they're supposed to do; wants them to have to guess instead of providing forum to answer their questions or address their concerns.

++Points to MOM.

I think you put it very well. I have the same feeling. :89


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:53 am 
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The live link at CTH... supposedly the Wildabout trials link... does NOT have the "Mute" warning? and DOES have sound!!!!

So.......... it is best cleanest pic at the moment

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ne-12-9am/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:54 am 
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Rumpole wrote:

It's the banners spoiling the picture that put me off various sites... Wildabout was good until they put the dopey "Mute" notice across the pic.... why on earth they did that I have no idea... stupid and unnecessary.


Mute may have been because of people complaining about sound going out.

Second live feed near bottom may be suitable for your purposes; no chyron, etc.: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... -coverage/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:55 am 
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liesel wrote:
Even Judge No seems a bit embarrassed? for and/or by him; maybe a bit of "this is ridiculous" in her reading the entire juror instruction?


Actually, that is the way things are supposed to go. If you want to quiz the jury on the law during voire dire, you should make a preliminary request for the judge to read the pertinent instruction(s) to the jury. Objection - counsel is instructing on the law - should suffice to stop lectures on the law of the type delivered by BDLR.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:58 am 
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liesel wrote:
Mute may have been because of people complaining about sound going out.


:lol

So occasional complaints by silly people who dont grasp why sound goes off for sidebar.. warrants SPOILING the picture for everybody at all times :lol

How do they handle those complaints? :wall

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liesel wrote:
DEFENSIVE - That's the word I was grasping for. BDLR is being very defensive; like he's got major problems.

The trial should let the jury find the facts that uncover the truth.


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O’Mara says he tried his first case about a mile from where they are now in a room with no air conditioning. He mentions some have commented on the temperature in the room.

O’Mara asks Juror B-29 to tell him about an event she had to make sure she thought through.

She says she just moved from Chicago, and it was a very hard choice she made for her kids.

O’Mara asks her if she can give the same attention to detail to this case. She says yes and does not have concerns.

O’Mara refers to De la Rionda’s comment on assumptions.

“I thought it was going to be a short day,” she says jokingly. She also mentions the air conditioning.

“I think a lot of use our own situations or past judgment,” she explains in response to O’Mara’s question about assumptions.

“You bring your life experiences,” O’Mara adds. He also says he disagrees with De la Rionda about his statement on common sense.

O’Mara says we can use God’s teachings, but life experiences make up our common sense.

O’Mara addresses Juror G-81. The juror says he agrees. He also agrees to be cautious.

“The fact that no matter what we’ve gone through, the juror has to base of the evidence that’s presented,” the juror says. He adds that both sides want to make sure the jury is impartial and will decide on the evidence.

O’Mara addresses Juror B-61 what she thinks about the standards and how they are unique.

She says she doesn’t think they are unique. She says the conversations they are having will help the jury.

O’Mara addresses Juror B-76. She says it is a great opportunity. She says if one of her family members was on either side, she would want this process to make sure they have a fair trial.

O’Mara asks the juror to put his concerns at ease in how she will go about deciding in the case.

He says his concern is to make sure they stay vigilant.

O’Mara addresses Juror E-22. She says she can understand the concerns. She says the group can “corral” any one person that might fall back on assumptions.

Juror B-7 says he has a concern when O’Mara says “bringing us in our world” and the concept of professional jurors.

O’Mara says his concern is the jurors can take on the process with the trial in waiting and listening.

“I feel that to give a person a fair trial and to get them the jurors that you need, you have to see both sides,” a juror says.

Another juror, B-61, says she when the juror comes together they have to hold themselves accountable.

Juror M-75 says she agrees with both jurors and has had to hold people accountable. “All in all, our common sense is based off our experiences,’ she says, adding that you have to use experiences that aren’t biased.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:11 am 
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Rumpole wrote:

:lol

So occasional complaints by silly people who dont grasp why sound goes off for sidebar.. warrants SPOILING the picture for everybody at all times :lol

How do they handle those complaints? :wall


Boxes of toothpicks have warning labels. Q-tips instructions say not to put in one's ear.

http://www.dumbwarnings.com/

It's that kind of world now. :lol

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Cameraman seemed to make a point of this shot... and zoomed in?

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kbp wrote:
The trial should let the jury find the facts that uncover the truth.

Well, wouldn't you be defensive if you had to try an innocent man with no real evidence and lying witnesses? I mean, he deserves some pity, don'cha think? (NOT) :TF


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kbp wrote:
The trial should let the jury find the facts that uncover the truth.


Jury trials in the US are mainly about hiding the truth and confusing the jury.


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I imagine that Traybots are Hating this...... they have had this notion that the jury will be wilfully ignorant dopes like they are... logic and cool calm assessment of evidence, leaving sentiment and biases out of it is NOT what they thought the jury would do. :cool

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O’Mara refers to De la Rionda saying that bias has no place in the trial.

He asks about witness bias.

O’Mara says the judge will tell them about bias. He says the judge will tell them they may find some of the evidence unreliable.

O’Mara says this is why they don’t want a professional jury.

O’Mara addresses Juror P-66. She says she doesn’t have a problem considering what is being said by a witness.

“I’m sure that we will see bias in some of the witnesses,” another juror, E-73, says.

Juror B-51 says she gives no consideration to biases. She has never had “such a dissection” of their role as jurors before. “The fact that we will be allowed to consider it, it’s good to know that,” she says.

O’Mara says the first time he came in, they had to think something about him. He says he wants to make sure they talk about bias because confusion over considering it is “dangerous.”

Juror B-86 says “You’re basically asking us to use our common sense.”

Juror H-7 says he thinks of car salesman and having to listen to their sales pitch and determine what’s true and what’s not true.

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I don't imagine the "the Moaning Mexican" is actually following much of this :wall

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O’Mara asks about the concept of sympathy not playing a role in their verdict.

Juror B-72 says emotions should not be considered.

O’Mara asks him how he can “dissect away a human emotion.”

The juror says where someone may feel sympathetic, he generally feels different.

Another juror says sympathy is a natural instinct, but a more analytic decision could eliminate that.

O’Mara asks how she can accomplish that.

She says she’s had to do that in her own life.

O’Mara says the judge will tell them that sympathy is not an appropriate consideration.

Juror B-35 says “it is an emotion like any other emotions, and we have to control that and put it aside.”

O’Mara asks if there any concern with asking them to “be less human” in not considering sympathy.

A juror says they will have to adjust to the situation at the time.

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