I don't know why you yanks put up with him... he is taking away the job of some poor home grown Ass-clown.

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That was more in response to what Chip had posted:

Chip is not, IMO, correct in his second sentence. What he points out in the second paragraph goes to a point I've considered here; that Bernie's strategy may be to just put on a show trial to give the appearance he had some sort of case, the verdict is not his objective, and he hopes to possibly keep the Scheme Team civil case alive.

I see that 28 yr old Chicago woman still is on the list of potentional jurors. I have a bad feeling about this gal. She claims to have an 18 yr old son...odd.Yes I realize he could be a step child, but she seems to have too many stories that set my hinky meter off.

I have missed quite a bit... but I have a bad feeling about all I have heard.

So much of the IMPRINTING is now "folk lore" The general Scheme Team Myth is established.

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EXACTLTY! And I suspect Bernie would love to toss in a few points for consideration that add to the fairy tale, little details which keep that tale alive.

This sentence?



Reaching for one's pocket does not imply that one is reaching for a weapon. In order for such a belief to be reasonable, it must be accompanied by some mitigating factors, such as physically aggressive behavior, or actually seeing a weapon.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman exhibited any physically aggressive behavior. There is no evidence of pursuit. There is no evidence of approach. There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the verbal confrontation.

There is no evidence that Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun. Even if Martin did know, then he would also have known the location of the concealed holster, and that said location was not the pocket for which Zimmerman reached.

Further, Martin's responses to that action refute that he was reacting to a reasonable fear of imminent use of unlawful force. He downed Zimmerman with a single punch, and then instead of escaping, screaming for help, etc., he escalated the physical aggression to the point that Zimmerman reasonably feared imminent risk of death or great bodily harm. And when confronted by Witness 6, Martin didn't do the logical and reasonable thing - tell the witness, "he's got a gun!" - instead, opting to ignore the witness, and to continue to assault Zimmerman.

The State would bear the burden to prove that Martin's initial physical aggression was justified as self-defense in response to a reasonable fear of imminent use of unlawful force. No such evidence exists. And further: the State would bear the burden to prove that Martin's escalation of force was fully justified, and did not result in Zimmerman reasonably fearing imminent risk of life or great bodily harm, after ending his own participation in the physical altercation (where "ending" means "never participating to begin with").

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See also: Jeralyn's take:

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

Always remember that I am searching for what to anticipate in the fairy tale Bernie is hoping to tell the public, by way of telling it to the jurors.


That was the sentence.


Mitigating factors is somewhat open ended. Bernie's factors will be followed in a vehicle, scoped out from vehicle, left vehicle to track, reached for ____ and George could not know when Trayvon saw the gun. So Bernie has to add the possibility that Trayvon saw the gun before or as George reached for _____.


Bernie's tale could be that Martin saw it at or near the instance George reached for _____. Geore EVER actually says he reached into his pocket, more like he is feeling and looking for it in various locations.

Link from YT search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... kGZgJxTi4#!
George @ 7:50+/-: "…and I went to go grab my cell phone, but my, I had left it in a different pocket, I went, I looked down at my pant pocket (rt side)."
To one observing, had that person seen the holstered gun, what was he to conclude George was reaching AND looking for?


Not 100% accurate, but about as close as we can get going off what George said: "I >THINK< I stumbled, I fell down, he pushed me down, somehow he got on top of me." Also, recall that it is difficult to outrun a bullet.


Great point! Bernie has a few bumps in telling the tale as he'd like to, but it has not slowed him down yet. But, there's that issue of the FDLE interviewing #6 and, IIRC, he said he could not be certain which who was yelling for help.



If Bernie's goal is a show trial - reasonable doubt of Trayvon's guilt - this is not a problem.

Yes, and I fully understand that I may merely be discussing the case for acquittal on appeal.



Followed in a vehicle: fact not in evidence
Scoped out from vehicle: how can making a phone call from inside one's vehicle be an act of physical aggression?
Left vehicle to track: not in evidence when/if Martin even knew of Zimmerman's actions. (Opens door to "why wasn't Martin safely at home after 4 minutes" reasonable doubt question.)
Possibility Martin saw gun early: the gun was concealed; no evidence that he saw it. Martin's actions belie early sight of concealed gun.



Tales != evidence. At some point, the State will have to present evidence to support such tales.



Not logical. The gun was holstered at about 5:00 - i.e. on the back side of the waist circumference. Feeling a hip pocket would not look anything like reaching for an IWB-holstered gun at 5:00.



Given the disparity of physical condition, the darkness, the weather conditions, and a stunned Zimmerman who just endured a broken nose, and stumbled to the ground, Martin could have easily run away.



No, Witness 6 always maintained that he believed that it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help. He just said that he couldn't see his mouth moving.

But of more importance, he did not hear the person screaming saying anything like "he's got a gun".



I assume you meant, reasonable doubt of Zimmerman's guilt?

That's why there is an appeals court, because without overcoming all reasonable doubt, the DCA will acquit. (I don't think they'll even order a new trial; they'll just reverse.)

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Perhaps if circumstances were different, as has been said, George Zimmerman may have been the one found dead.

I'll be honest, I've always thought this was a straight forward case of Self-Defense. I can't honestly understand why GZ has been described as 'the most hated man in America' given the circumstances of this case, and my belief that it was self defense.

It is very easy for anyone who was not there on the night in question to point the finger. I wonder what others may have done in similar circumstances, therefore, I find myself feeling sad that a life was lost, but equally sorry for George Zimmerman.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/judge-george-zimmerman-trial-doesn-t-play-games-131543025.html

Not sure if this author has watched any of the proceedings...

Just watched the Martin press conference!!!

I can hardly stand it!! After thanking the jurors for their "honesty" Crump gets up there to talk about a police officer's comment on some program last night about TM. Wants to "implore the media" to not make this about Trayvon or allow these kind of characterizations. TM is not on trial.

Then he proceeds (para) with the narrative saying TM was an "unarmed child that bought skittles and iced-tea" the "KILLER" is the man on trial and "he shot TM in the heart."

Tracy, quite inarticulately, mumbles out another thank you to the honest jurors.

I truly, truly despise CRUMP!!

Rene Stutzman renestutzman 5m
Tracy Martin: "We are encouraged that we as a family can get justice.

Remember this tweet below; however, TM's mom is speaking to the press this afternoon.

Charles M. Blow

. @attorneycrump to me: After Trayvon's mother appears on tv today (Thursday) he doesn't expect her to speak to press again until verdict.
1:08 AM - 6 Jun 2013

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They are a bunch of LIARS.

Well, I think I'll go work off my angry energy about Crump on the elliptical!

Later, all!

I wish there was a gag order .

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting

By Chris Francescani
SANFORD, Florida | Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:20pm EDT

(Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.

By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

....more at link
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 8H20120425

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