HOWEVER

Frye is about "Methodology"

The shonky guys could be said to be using standard methods.... they are simply using it in a shonky (con) application.



I predict.......

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At least this guy sounds like he'd have some form of documentation to display WHY he feels someone is or is not excluded when searching for features that resemble a match between two or more samples worthy of consideration.

True. It's the "garbage in garbage out" problem for Owen, whom the State might be able to argue is using an accepted method. But I still don't see the State being able to argue effectively for Reich (before an unbiased judge, that is).

My opinion is that that recording isn't even "remotely" suitable for comparison.

HA!

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Biometric... That was big.

If there is no positive clear for either of the candidates, GZ & TM, the system will not work. It is "absolutely a foregone conclusion ...it will not work"

Sent a email Rumpole, let me know if that one works. If not I have many other ideas, too many in fact.

I like French's differentiation between the technology--the biometric program alone--and the methodology--the entire process of of getting samples, determining their suitability, the manipulation before feeding them into the program, the program, and the results.

French is making good point... distinction between the "Methodology" and the "Technology"


IF Nelson can grasp it... perhaps she should reject the shonky experts... I would be happy if she did and proved my prediction wrong.

GMTA rockymountainmama

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Is that, "credible," a question for Nelson to address?

10:24 a.m. ET: West is asking Dr. French if he is familiar with the aural spectograph approach. Dr. French is explaining that he is not entirely sure what that is.

10:20 a.m. ET: West is asking if a recording could be analyzed despite poor quality, and if anything useful could be gotten out of it despite that. Dr. French says it can be analyzed, but that the results are not reliable.

10:15 a.m. ET: Dr. French says that the Zimmerman call is not remotely suitable for speaker comparison purposes.

10:10 a.m. ET: Dr. French is now addressing the Zimmerman 911 call, and says that regardless of how long it may be, that the fact that it is shouting may mean it will be very difficult to draw the right information from.

10:07 a.m. ET: Dr. French is explaining the details of how filler words such as "like" and "sort of" can affect the speech analysis process.

9:53 a.m. ET: West is asking about how shouting can affect how a recording can be analyzed. Dr. French says that it can change the quality of a recording significantly, and often make it unsuitable for analysis.

9:51 a.m. ET: Dr. French is explaining that in order to get the information required from a recording, the quality of the recording is the most essential quality, rather than the duration.

9:47 a.m. ET: West is asking Dr. French some questions about his work in voice comparison. Dr. French is explaining the detailed process of how voice analysis works.

9:42 a.m. ET: Ph.D Don West is questioning Dr. French. French is going through his educational background and work experience.

9:37 a.m. ET: Dr. Peter French is on the stand via teleconference from the United Kingdom. He has been working in forensics since 1981 and specifically focuses on analyzing recordings. 70-80 percent of his forensic work is done at the request of prosecutors.

9:24 a.m. ET: The hearing should begin shortly.

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West asked him about Owen. How do you say 'f****** nut" in English?

The use of the word disturbing by two experts in a row...very telling.

10:30 a.m. ET: Dr. French says there is no accepted method in the scientific community to identify a speaker's age from a recording of screaming.

10: 26 a.m. ET: West is asking Dr. French about his opinion on Dr. Alan Reich's analysis, which was reviewed during court yesterday. Dr. French says he found Reich's findings disturbing, saying that would not be accepted in the wider scientific community.

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Objection... asking for "psychiatric diagnosis of Reich"


He needs to be evaluated.... DELUSIONAL is my diagnosis.

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10:35 a.m. ET: The defense requested an objection, saying that West's line of questioning is beyond the witness' stated expertise. Judge Nelson overuled the objection.

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10:42 a.m. ET: The attorney for the state is now questioning Dr. French.

10:39 a.m. ET: West has asked for a recess. Judge Nelson says that West should finish his line of questioning and then they will take a short recess.

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State wants to know the "power" necessary to detect or record the screams 40 feet away inside an apartment. He's leading to point out the hand over mouth issue I guess. The result I get is that the state then accepts that it was a life threatening situation coming from the source of the scream.