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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:46 am 
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I've wondered the same thing myself: why doesn't the defense merely challenge the PCA? Are there procedural requirements or barriers to doing so? Would such a challenge be timely? Without Witness 8, the PCA is utterly specious.
The defense seems as up to the task of making sure George has a fair trial as Judge Nelson, unfortunately. Consider this: the PCA claims, without attribution, that George "profiled" Trayvon. The manner in which George "profiled" is noticing Trayvon acting as if he was on drugs, which he was, something both counsel are not allowed to mention until further ruling by the judge. The State may wish to establish "profiling" with W8's hearsay statement, but now George can't rebut with the 911 call and supporting evidence. Why did O'Mara fail to debate this point with Nelson: that if "on-drugs" goes, mention of "profiling" goes with it? Now Bernie has a perfect weasel word to play with for the "depraved mind" charge.


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The State may wish to establish "profiling" with W8's hearsay statement, but now George can't rebut with the 911 call and supporting evidence. Why did O'Mara fail to debate this point with Nelson: that if "on-drugs" goes, mention of "profiling" goes with it? Now Bernie has a perfect weasel word to play with for the "depraved mind" charge.


There is nothing wrong with "profiling" a young thug as a thug. Cops specialize in profiling. The FBI hires profilers. When Bernie starts running his mouth and flapping his arms about "profiling" the poor little honor student as a criminal, he opens the door for Trayvon = drug using thug evidence.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Of course there isn't anything wrong with it, but Bernie can merely say George the Neighborhood Watch captain "profiled" (just that, with the connotations this word offers) Trayvon and "pursued" him. George then "managed to get into a fight" and "shot his way out of it". He has to spin it somehow; it's not like he's got a real prosecution case to make. "Profiled", "profiled", "profiled". Nothing about criminality--and George cannot properly rebut as to how he profiled him (on drugs) without Nelson's say-so.


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O'Mara, NeJame, Tennis, Dr. G to raise funds by dancing
An interesting collection of Central Florida legal luminaries, including Mark O'Mara , have signed up to dance, dance, dance and raise money for foster children.


link won't go through...Orlando Sentinel


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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 5180.story

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Taurus please stop posting the "link wont go thru"
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:09 pm 
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KF10 wrote:
The State may wish to establish "profiling" with W8's hearsay statement, but now George can't rebut with the 911 call and supporting evidence. Why did O'Mara fail to debate this point with Nelson: that if "on-drugs" goes, mention of "profiling" goes with it? Now Bernie has a perfect weasel word to play with for the "depraved mind" charge.
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There is nothing wrong with "profiling" a young thug as a thug. Cops specialize in profiling. The FBI hires profilers. When Bernie starts running his mouth and flapping his arms about "profiling" the poor little honor student as a criminal, he opens the door for Trayvon = drug using thug evidence.


Does "profiling" even enter the picture at trial? "Profiling" is not an unlawful act, and asserting that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin is utterly specious based on facts in evidence, and refuted by the FBI hate crime investigation.

But, I agree: it's not a door that BDLR wants to open, because the evidence introduced on cross-examination would be devastating to the State's case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:13 pm 
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The question is who would they put on the stand to present that George profiled? Who ever that is, would be hammered with the stuff that Bernie wants to keep out.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Actually we should use the witness posts and start to dissect who could be called and what they could say along with how MOM can use the evidence to prove them wrong.


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taurus wrote:
Did anyone watch HLN AfterDark last night? It was very clear to me from the mock jury and one of the guest attys. that this case is divided racially...

My point is if the jury is comprised of some minorities, they won't favor the defense one iota.

One positive note is GZ's former atty. (woman) had nothing but good things to say about George.

Glad you brought this here, taurus. I was curious about the HLN mock jury and am heartened by the results. A hung jury is better than a conviction, but what worries me is that statistics show that a second go-around usually ends up in conviction. We know the jury WILL have minorities or the BGI will have a meltdown.

Also happy to hear the first attorney had good things to say. Funny how the TM supporters lied about that, too. :roll


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Rumpole wrote:
Link from CTH.....

dmoseylou says
June 3, 2013 at 11:37 pm

EXCELLENT Article!

The Trayvon Martin Case
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.c ... 30-rebuke/

This article is well worth the read! The author breaks it down beautifully - there are so many quotable quotes about what this decision means for Judge Frump and Crump:

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"It’s possible that Crump will give the appearance of cooperation, but complete honesty and cooperation would seem to entail admission of perjury and repudiation of The Narrative and all of the financial and reputation benefits that would provide to Crump. Unlikely."


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No way that if this ends up with a hung jury that it would make it to a second trial. That is when they would ask for immunity for sure, because all of the cats would already be out of the bags. I wonder if they would let Nelson do the re-trial or if it would be a new judge?


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Natalie Jackson is such a good trash talker! No wonder she needs the "ESQ" behind her name - nobody would know otherwise! :roll




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Natalie Jackson is such a good trash talker! No wonder she needs the "ESQ" behind her name - nobody would know otherwise! :roll

Oh good grief. The defense is probably in the middle of prepping for the hearings later this week. While Crump's deposition is important, they can't just drop everything and do it.


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Rumpole wrote:
Somebody should make a STRONG announcement (WARNING) that rioters will be shot... or else arrested... and then shot.

It is a "Martial law/war/treason" sort of thing... it should not be available even as a threat used by grievance groups.


It amounts to TERRORISM!!!


I agree 1000%!

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RockyMtnMama wrote:
Oh good grief. The defense is probably in the middle of prepping for the hearings later this week. While Crump's deposition is important, they can't just drop everything and do it.


Come on it has been a good 20 hours since it came out, what are they waiting for? /Sarc


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Oh good grief. The defense is probably in the middle of prepping for the hearings later this week. While Crump's deposition is important, they can't just drop everything and do it.

Well heck yeah, Natalie - everyone should immediately DROP what they are doing to accommodate the lout who screwed around being sneaky, deceitful, lying and delaying the depo to begin with! :roll....... :wall


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Natalie Jackson is such a good trash talker! No wonder she needs the "ESQ" behind her name - nobody would know otherwise! :roll



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I agree Chip ... very immature.

To be part of the Twitter Dog Pack shows lack of class, lack of intelligence and lack of respect for her own "professional standing"

The dogs are anonymous (mostly) hiding behind aliases.... uninformed and unaccountable for the potty-mouthed hate that they tweet.

Jackson is unwise (to say the least) to be a participant in that, let alone a lead Dog in the pack.

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I hope she goes down at the end of this. Actually she may have already gone down.....on Nelson :neener


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