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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:56 pm 
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I'd also like to comment because in the past we have heard time and time again that MOM/West get all their ideas at CTH. Here you have an attorney connected to case agreeing with this nutcase. It's unbelievable isn't it?


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:15 pm 
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Hi Ottawa

Yes. I have expressed a similar opinion myself in the past... and recently in The Daily Daft Posts from Justarse Quest thread here.
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I was referring to NastyJack (and Crump) both involving themselves in the Twitter Dog Pack Sewer but the point is the same for their involvement with Leatherman and his forum.. and especially the clearly mentally unstable posters who are attracted to such places.

Crump and Jackson are (for now) professionals, bound by the standards and ethics of their profession... "Officers of the court".. and VERY MUCH involved with this case in their professional capacity. What in heavens name are they thinking splashing around down in the Twitter/Blog sewer with hate filled cretins who hide behind their online aliases??
They both use their real names and professional status and titles in their tweets.... while the cretins use anonymous aliases

It beggars belief really.... but the obvious conclusion is that they are NOT very professional at all.


They have no shame! :eek

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Well, not sure how much you keep an eye on twitter, but recently I had called to attention the most inappropriate comment made to Robert by ModarresLaw (Shayan). Nobody was talking to Shayan .. he just decided to insert himself in Robert's converations with someone else. Nettles and Coreshift made it a point to call out Shayan on twitter. Shayan, the attorney, who BTW wrote Crump's response on the Writ. He waited, then came out with apology, and NOW ... his twitter account is private. Somebody at Crump's lawfirm must have given him what for and told him to go private before he totally fks everything up by harassing a potential witness in the case ............ ROBERT !!!

These ppl have ABSOLUTELY no professionalism ... no ethics, just sheer slime balls from stem to stern. They are the ones that should be disbarred. I cannot believe for the life of me that this behavior by attorneys is acceptable by the Florida bar. :60


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murderbythebook wrote:
http://www.re-newsit.com/2012/08/Fredrickleatherman.html

Frederick Leatherman - A fraud after all



Thanks, Murder ... I'm gonna pass this one around.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:46 pm 
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I just love this line:

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Trayvon had TWO parents who checked in on him & were concerned about his well being always


A 17 year old doesn't need parent to "check in" on him. A 17 year old still needs guidance, and parenting. Something it seems TM sorely lacked for most of his young life.

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Ottawa925 wrote:
Well, not sure how much you keep an eye on twitter, but recently I had called to attention the most inappropriate comment made to Robert by ModarresLaw (Shayan). Nobody was talking to Shayan .. he just decided to insert himself in Robert's converations with someone else. Nettles and Coreshift made it a point to call out Shayan on twitter. Shayan, the attorney, who BTW wrote Crump's response on the Writ. He waited, then came out with apology, and NOW ... his twitter account is private. Somebody at Crump's lawfirm must have given him what for and told him to go private before he totally fks everything up by harassing a potential witness in the case ............ ROBERT !!!

These ppl have ABSOLUTELY no professionalism ... no ethics, just sheer slime balls from stem to stern. They are the ones that should be disbarred. I cannot believe for the life of me that this behavior by attorneys is acceptable by the Florida bar. :60


I would take those tweets right over to BDLR's office and ask what they think of Modarres Law harassing RZJr.? Or take it to the DA in Sanford.


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I just created a twitter account it's now time to have some fun with these fools. They have never dealt with someone like me.

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1. By waiving the pretrial immunity hearing, they have, in effect, conceded that they cannot prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense.


False and irrelevant. The State has the burden of disproving self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

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2. As lawyers admitted to practice by the Supreme Court of Florida and authorized to represent themselves to the public as specialists in the practice of criminal law and trying cases, they can be presumed to know the rules that govern the admissibility of evidence in criminal trials conducted in the circuit courts.


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Therefore, they knew that the information that they publicized last week about Trayvon would not be admissible at trial for any purpose pursuant to rules 401, 402, 403 and 608 of the rules of evidence.


False. Read Hornsby's blog post on the topic of admissibility of character evidence.

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3. They waited to publicize the irrelevant and inadmissible information until after the 500 people in the jury pool were notified by summons to report to court for jury selection on June 10th, thereby increasing the likelihood that most of the prospective jurors will have heard or read about it before June 10th.


Unknown if or why defense waited, but it appears that the State stonewalled discovery by belatedly providing only a binary file of the contents of Trayvon's phone. Also, the defense is obligated by Rule 3.220 to make disclosures of "any tangible papers or objects that the defendant intends to use in the hearing or trial." As far as publishing the materials, I don't think the defense published enough. In the absence of a court order regarding confidentiality of text messages, I question whether defense counsel's redaction of Trayvon's text messages to avoid further embarrassment to Scheme Team (such as by redacting Trayvon's method of smuggling weed on a bus) comports with Florida's Sunshine Laws, which generally provide that discovery information filed with the court is a public record in the absence of a court order providing for confidentiality.

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4. In an effort to avoid being held accountable for poisoning the jury panel with irrelevant and inadmissible information, Mark O’Mara blamed Bernie de la Rionda. He said BDLR withheld the information from the defense in violation of the discovery rules and the Brady rule, which requires the State to disclose exculpatory information well in advance of the trial.


MOM had nothing to avoid. It is pretty clear that BDLR has been and continues to stonewall discovery in violation of Rule 3.220.

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5. That explanation is false because:

a. the Brady rule does not apply since the information is not exculpatory for the same reason that it is irrelevant and inadmissible;


False, the information is relevant and potentially admissible as explained in detail by Hornsby.

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b. even if the information were exculpatory, BDLR disclosed it in timely fashion in early January;


Rule 3.220 provides that the State must provide discovery within 15 days of demand, which MOM made back in April, 2012. So the information was not provided in a timely fashion. Moreover, the information provided was in binary form. If BDLR had, but did not provide the information in human readable form, he violated Brady and Rule 3.220.

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c. The information was in the form of raw data, which is the same format that it was in when BDLR received it;


Unknown with certainty, but it is extremely likely that BDLR also had the information in human readable form.

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d. The defense specifically asked to be provided with the raw data and that is what it received;


The defense is entitled to have whatever the State has. See Rule 3.220 and Brady.


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e. the defense waited until after the jury summons were mailed out to retain an expert to interpret the raw data; and


Unknown when the defense retained an expert.

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f. the defense waited until the last possible moment before the May 28th motions hearing to publicize the irrelevant and inadmissible information and to file its motion asking Judge Nelson to impose sanctions against BDLR.


The information is clearly relevant and potentially admissible. Apparently the defense waited until after the defense retained an expert that translated the binary information into human readable form, discovered the exculpatory information, and then filed to sanction BDLR. Personally, I think there should have been many more motions to sanction BDLR, starting on the 16th day after the discovery demand back in April 2012.

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6. The timing and sequence of these events constitutes powerful circumstantial evidence that poisoning the jury pool with irrelevant and inadmissible evidence was the defense team’s real motive.


The information is clearly relevant, potentially admissible, and disclosure appears mandated by Rule 3.220 and Florida's Sunshine Laws. Timing of disclosure appears due to the State's stonewalling of discovery and translation of binary files by defendant's expert. People might want to acquaint themselves with Florida's Sunshine Laws by reviewing Lester's order denying the motion to seal the court file. Also note the publication of numerous text messages as discovery in the Casey Anthony case.


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7. Lawyers are required to act in good faith and prohibited from intentionally deceiving the Court.


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8. Thus, defense counsel appear to have intentionally created an unringing-the-bell problem.


If the State wanted to keep any particular information secret, they had the obligation to file a motion for protective order. Rule 3.220. In the absence of a protective order, discovery material is a public record. It appears to me that BDLR bet that he could keep the information secret by only providing the binary file, and did not want to disclose the information to the court or to defense counsel by filing a motion for protective order. Recall that the defense filed a motion for protective order in an attempt to avoid publication of GZ's cousin's statements.

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9. Courtesy of Robert Zimmerman, Sr., and Jr., last week the jury panel also got to hear them say that the prosecution is the result of a conspiracy between the governor, the prosecution and the judiciary to convict an innocent man.


Good call, I agree. Neither RZ Sr. or RZ Jr. is defense counsel or bound by the attorney rules of professional conduct. They have a right pursuant to the 1st Amendment to criticize the government.


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Trayvon had two parents that kicked him out of the house and checked him in on a bus.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:09 pm 
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Traybots continue to miss the point.

They gather and profess to be "Questing for Justice" or on some sort of "Watching" brief to get at the facts, but obviously those sorts of things are NOT what they are about. They have already decided and decreed their own "facts of the matter". From the outset, Trayvon was declared to be "the Victim" and George the "Villain"... more over an evil, fat, racist psychotic of some sort.. as were all of his family, friends and anybody who supported or defended him in any way. Nothing to do with Justice or finding the truth here..... the Traybots are after a RESULT... one they pre-determined BEFORE the facts were known. We none of us knew a fraction of the facts when news reports declared a small child on his way home from buying candy had been shot dead by a NW Captain. No doubt we all had an inaccurate impression at that time.. I certainly did. However, those notions were WRONG, but Traybots are still pursuing those IMPRINTED notions.... they never were questing for the truth... just a Lynching as the original false narrative suggested to them was appropriate. Most go further and hope for "Their Guys"... (the worst Prison inmates) to dish out what they bizarrely call "justice"..... "Prison justice" whereby George is brutalized, raped and murdered while in custody. They already find joy in any hardship George faces.. financial woes, and his personal life disrupted. And similar hardship for his friends and family is welcomed too.

They are currently very vocal about what should, and should not, be admissible in Court.
I agree there are rules of evidence that need to be followed in Court, but....
....in discussing the case, and seeking the TRUTH we are not bound by such rules.

Admissibility in Court does not equate to what is fact...to what is reality.

Admissibility may effect the outcome of the court case.. but it does NOT effect what is the TRUTH.

For instance.
  • The VST (lie detector) results may not be admissible, but the test was done.. it showed GZ was telling the truth.
  • The sordid details about TM's character may (or may not) be admissible.... but they are facts regardless.

These "Watchers" and "Questers" are NOT looking for the TRUTH at all... they are after a Lynching.

The TRUTH is staring them in the face... their concern is that this TRUTH does not get aired in court, nor does it "taint" the jury pool?
How silly is that? They do not want the truth to taint the False Narrative.

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The TRUTH is staring them in the face... their concern is that this TRUTH does not get aired in court, nor does it "taint" the jury pool?
How silly is that? They do not want the truth to taint the False Narrative.


The defense is actually doing the state a favor by publishing information to rebut the bogus Saint Trayvon story prior to trial. Reduces the chances of riots after acquittal if the truth is known by the AA community.


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I have been thinking about something for awhile.

Zimmerman, in an interview with police, said he started screaming for help. This was before he had heard the tape and before there was a big commotion over who was screaming. Zimmerman didn't know, at the time, the radio call had picked the screaming up.

I also remember the police playing the recording for him and saying that's you.


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The defense is actually doing the state a favor by publishing information to rebut the bogus Saint Trayvon story prior to trial. Reduces the chances of riots after acquittal if the truth is known by the AA community.
Reduces? Perhaps. I hope so.

But the people I see posting have a permanent Truth Repellent coating... nothing gets in.

And the sort of Mob Violence predicted involves mostly people even lower down the "food chain" :eek

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Protesters and rioters come up from Dade County. If there is a chance of looting, they'll be there. Truth is of no importance.


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I have been thinking about something for awhile.

Zimmerman, in an interview with police, said he started screaming for help. This was before he had heard the tape and before there was a big commotion over who was screaming. Zimmerman didn't know, at the time, the radio call had picked the screaming up.

I also remember the police playing the recording for him and saying that's you.


They are going to be arguing whether Z's statement about the screaming is admissible at the next hearing. I think that is the main reason that BDLR filed the motion to exclude defendant's self-serving hearsay statements.


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They are going to be arguing whether Z's statement about the screaming is admissible at the next hearing. I think that is the main reason that BDLR filed the motion to exclude defendant's self-serving hearsay statements.


So they want to exclude the defendant's statements to police?? Is it because it was an interview for the stress test?


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But...... as I recall.... George said something like "It doesn't even sound like me"... a sort of conversational thing we all (might) say when we hear playback of our own voice.
The Traybots jumped on this and have continued to flog it to death :22

I can't see BDLR wanting to exclude that... I wish they would.

I see MBTB post ahead of me.. maybe it is some other statement that BDLR is flapping about? :95

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So they want to exclude the defendant's statements to police?? Maybe they mean TV interviews.


Zimmerman immediately told the cop and/or EMT at the scene that he was screaming for help, but nobody would help. I guaranty that BDLR is trying to exclude that from being admitted as evidence.

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I agree it could well be GZ talking about screaming in advance of being confronted with tape... I thought you were referring to the specific instance of George (unfortunately) making the off-hand remark.

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