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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:07 am 
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What's the deal with the graduation pics? Did he or did he not graduate, and if so, when and where?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:15 am 
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I recall (only vaguely) discussion that he had a graduation party... but was a credit or two short of fulfilling requirement?

I have no idea if he did (or didnt) eventually met all requirements and actually graduate.

WHY is that important??

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:30 am 
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The defense must think it is important but I do not know why unless he did finish the degree at home and can show the other bizarre accusations about school are dumb. IDK.. good question.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 am 
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In case anyone was wondering the large file with the May6 pictures, are just pictures of the complex and of the adjoining property. I think they tried to recreate TM route back to RTL. Nothing earth shattering. One picture is corrupt, which was preventing the Zip file from opening.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:11 am 
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Thanks Bori..... I got as far as downloading... but now you mention it.. I cant open it :(

How did YOU get around the one corrupt file?

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:55 am 
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I don't think the toxicology results will come in if the only relevance is to show TM was impaired. Perhaps they should, but the DCA's have not indicated disfavor with the trial courts excluding 0.21 blood-alcohol levels except when some other relevant factor was shown. In one case it was the defendant testifying he knew the victim to be violent when drunk, which increased his apprehension of the victim. In the other, it was the prosecutor mocking the defendant's qualifications for testifying the victim appeared to be high. The court said the state couldn't withhold the toxicology results, and then use the denial to attack the defendant's testimony. The second case's analysis will, I think, apply if BDLR attempts to use GZ's NEN call comment that TM appeared to on drugs a evidence that GZ incorrectly profiled TM.


It would make absolutely no sense to me if:

1) The state relies on its assertion in the PCA that Zimmerman wrongly profiled Martin
2) The assertion that Zimmerman wrongly profiled Martin is based solely on the recorded NEN call
3) In the recorded NEN call, the "profiling" statement Zimmerman made was that Martin was "just wandering about", and that "he look[ed] like he [was] on drugs or something"
4) Toxicology reports clearly indicate that Martin was under the influence and/or lingering effects of Marijuana at the time of Zimmerman's statement

If the Tox report is excluded, then so must be the State's assertion that Zimmerman "profiled" Martin.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:06 am 
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Per case law, I think tox comes in if GZ testifies as to self-defense and that TM looked like he was on drugs or if GZ's NEN call and statements to police to that effect are admitted. If Nelson grants the motion to exclude tox, it looks like clearly reversible (not harmless) error to me.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:08 am 
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Zimmerman was taking three courses at the time of Trayvon's death, but school officials kicked him out after the shooting, citing safety concerns.


Goes to damages in the civil cases. Hopefully that eventually goes on Scheme Team's tab.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:06 pm 
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I thought they said they were going to have expert commentary? Where is their expert?


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John_Galt wrote:
Per case law, I think tox comes in if GZ testifies as to self-defense and that TM looked like he was on drugs or if GZ's NEN call and statements to police to that effect are admitted. If Nelson grants the motion to exclude tox, it looks like clearly reversible (not harmless) error to me.


I think she could grant the motion, but if during the trial BDLR uses the "looks like he's on drugs" comment against GZ, or if GZ testifies TM looked like he was on drugs, and BDLR questions that claim, directly or by implication, it opens the door, and the toxicology results must come in.


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John_Galt wrote:
Per case law, I think tox comes in if GZ testifies as to self-defense and that TM looked like he was on drugs or if GZ's NEN call and statements to police to that effect are admitted. If Nelson grants the motion to exclude tox, it looks like clearly reversible (not harmless) error to me.
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I think she could grant the motion, but if during the trial BDLR uses the "looks like he's on drugs" comment against GZ, or if GZ testifies TM looked like he was on drugs, and BDLR questions that claim, directly or by implication, it opens the door, and the toxicology results must come in.


How does BDLR even introduce "profiled", without "he looks like he's on drugs"?

And based on the PCA, "profiled" is a huge element of "depraved mind" for the State.

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I found this video from HLN to be very good. It's only about 1:20 long and it's primarily O'Mara talking about the voice experts and such.

The way he puts it, is EXACTLY how I've always felt about this. I think O'Mara's a sharp guy, so I'm pleased that my thought process and way of framing the issue of the voice, and the experts is pretty much identical to his :)

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/30/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cries-help


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:47 pm 
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jordan2 wrote:
What's the deal with the graduation pics? Did he or did he not graduate, and if so, when and where?


From High School? No, he didn't graduate from High School.

Maybe Middle School or 6th grade. :98


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mung wrote:
I thought they said they were going to have expert commentary? Where is their expert?


I wonder if NG will report objectively? I remember the job she did on Dr. Murray - she should have been fired for that. I hope she studies the case and gives George a break. Lots of uninformed viewers believe everything she says.


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George was allowed to attend the graduation ceremony because he was so close to hitting the required credits. He was enrolled in the final classes he'd need at the time this all went down, and the cowardly school kicked him out because of mobs.


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Soiled Knee area on TM's pants confirms kneeling over George.


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Ryan Smith on HLN saying that the defense wants to "drag Trayvon's reputation through the mud."

I knew it. These HLN people really need some supervision. :D

Truly. Otherwise their coverage is for entertainment purposes only.


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I think I heard Ryan say too, that George's hands had no marks on them ... and he was involved in a fight?
They showed photos of George's hands ... not a mark. So what does this mean??


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Joni wrote:
I think I heard Ryan say too, that George's hands had no marks on them ... and he was involved in a fight?
They showed photos of George's hands ... not a mark. So what does this mean??



His bias is so transparent. We should e-mail HLN.


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forensicpsy wrote:
Ryan Smith on HLN saying that the defense wants to "drag Trayvon's reputation through the mud."



I think Ryan is correct. The defense wants to drag through the mud Trayvon's reputation as a respectful Momma's boy college bound scholar future astronaut majoring in cheerful that never got into a fight. I don't have any problem with the defense doing that, because Trayvon's aforementioned reputation is false, created by purposeful widespread dissemination of lies by Scheme Team in the media.


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