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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:01 am 
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I think some of the Traybots are simply Haters... I have seen them over the years.. same people....same MO every case.

Others are emotionally fragile (hysterical).. susceptible to cynical manipulation... usually by MSM reports, political BS etc... and in this case... all of that plus the connivances of The Scheme Team.

For most they simply can not get past the story and image they were fed of CHILD V Crazed Racist Murderer.

I am sure the CHILD notion they were fed caused an emotional link with what they already associated with that term... their own children when small, their Grandchildren perhaps... maybe an emotional flash-back to their own childhood. Emotionally they are picturing a vulnerable, innocent, small child (probably white for most of them)... and NOT the reality of what a troubled 17 year old black teen, suspended from school and abandoned by his parents might present as.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 2:31 pm 
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Geosurface wrote:
Here's my Crumpisms video



It's very short and should be good for a laugh. It's a compilation of him struggling with the English language, and losing.


Hahaha! Affirmative Action at work. :Gslap

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:21 pm 
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I found a trial that Tom Owens testified in before. If someone has testified before and has been recognized as an expert would a Frye hearing be held?


Just because some court, somewhere, allowed an expert or method doesn't instantly grant it acceptability in all courts. If you read cases rejecting scientific methods based on Frye or Daubert, they often cite bunches of cases in other jurisdiction that accepted and rejected the method. See, for one example of many, People v. Jeter, 80 NY 2d 818 - NY: Court of Appeals 1992 which said spectrographic voice identification didn't meet the Frye test despite the fact that a number of courts, including several NY trial courts, had allowed it.

(The appellate decision in the Davalloo case, surprisingly, doesn't mention the issue.)


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:59 pm 
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Thanks MJW.

I do appreciate having a few VALID and informed legal opinions from those qualified... here and at CTH and at TalkLeft.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:26 pm 
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MJW wrote:
Just because some court, somewhere, allowed an expert or method doesn't instantly grant it acceptability in all courts. If you read cases rejecting scientific methods based on Frye or Daubert, they often cite bunches of cases in other jurisdiction that accepted and rejected the method. See, for one example of many, People v. Jeter, 80 NY 2d 818 - NY: Court of Appeals 1992 which said spectrographic voice identification didn't meet the Frye test despite the fact that a number of courts, including several NY trial courts, had allowed it.

(The appellate decision in the Davalloo case, surprisingly, doesn't mention the issue.)


I like to keep a link to Davalloo handy it directly contradicts Owen's OS assertion of expecting +90% for a voice match; in the Davalloo case he testified as to an exact match with a result in the 60th percentile.

Here is another thought, based upon the H&H report assigning two screams to TM, what would that do to Owens results? throwing out those two utterances; OIW what exactly was he testing?

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:25 pm 
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Is it me or doesn't anyone find it curious that the Defense has been asking for Martin's exemplar for months yet the reports were generated from last year? Did I miss something big?

I haven't seen anyone question this so I am guessing I did...


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:29 pm 
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MOM filed motions asking family for any voice samples of TM... I have not seen any indication he got any?

Then again..... there is LOTS of stuff that there has been no word on. If MOm got it he has said nothing... if he didnt I do not understand WHY he did not make a fuss long ago.

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forensicpsy wrote:

Hahaha! Affirmative Action at work. :Gslap

"Her parents does not want to revere her identity."

Oh, forensic.... :Gslap


BRAVO to Geosurface for the "Crumpisms" video! :NN7


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:21 am 
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That man Crump is clearly in our tickle it!!

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:38 am 
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forensicpsy wrote:
Hahaha! Affirmative Action at work.


Yep.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:27 am 
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MJW wrote:


Just because some court, somewhere, allowed an expert or method doesn't instantly grant it acceptability in all courts. If you read cases rejecting scientific methods based on Frye or Daubert, they often cite bunches of cases in other jurisdiction that accepted and rejected the method. See, for one example of many, People v. Jeter, 80 NY 2d 818 - NY: Court of Appeals 1992 which said spectrographic voice identification didn't meet the Frye test despite the fact that a number of courts, including several NY trial courts, had allowed it.

(The appellate decision in the Davalloo case, surprisingly, doesn't mention the issue.)


Thank you.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:03 pm 
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At CTH..... Repost of the TM fight video......

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May 16, 2013 at 9:58 am

Not sure if this video has been posted here but has some fairly good audio of TM and goes to show more of his fascinaton with fighting:



By MagicalManny (Poster at DailyMotion)
This is the video that Trayvon Martin posted on his YouTube account under the title "anthony vs. curtis." I am posting it here because it is no longer available on YouTube. Martin is the large individual in the black and white striped shirt acting as referee. You can hear Trayvon Martin in the very beginning of the video talking about how one fighter could have been hit 30 times. The cameraman then calls Trayvon out by name. You can read

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:55 pm 
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Thanks for the nice comments about my Frye test comment. I should, however, correct myself on People v. Jeter. I said the court held that spectrographic voice identification didn't meet the Frye test. What it actually said was that the trial court erred by allowing it in without first determining if meets the Frye test. I do think the court's analysis suggests it's doubtful that it would.


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bob kealing bobkealing 2h
State audiologist claiming he deciphered what GZ muttered in dispatch call

Trial delay on what grounds ?”



#GeorgeZimmerman defense confirms they will move forward with renewed motion for trial delay.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:48 pm 
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From CTH.............

Keyser Soze – We Await the 5th District Court Of Appeals Decision….. Maybe Tomorrow…..
Posted on May 16, 2013 by sundance

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Large numbers of people have formulated numerous hypothesis about the various ”W8 factors”. The entire construct of the Benjamin Crump deposition is structurally framed around the Crump presentation of the W8 narrative.

That’s why the 5th DCA decision to allow deposition (override trial judge Nelson), or support the judge Nelson ruling (barring deposition), carries so much weight. The 5th DCA delivers rulings on Fridays.

This is more than just a bit of a big deal. It’s a Joe Biden moment.

Simultaneously, we have independently been on the Keyser Soze trail for quite a long time. A very LONG TIME.

We are now confident we have discovered “keyser soze”, yes, you read that right. Only we are going to hold back on the information until after the 5th DCA ruling – and, if the ruling is successful, – just before the Crump Deposition(s) take place.

Two key people travelled to Jacksonville in November of 2012.

They were both requested to appear at the behest of The State of Florida Prosecution team, Angela Corey and Bernie De La Rionda. Two people. But, oddly, no-one asks why?

The State met one of those people, W8, during their interview on April 2nd, 2012.

……But they requested appearance in Jacksonville, four months later, by two people. W8 and one other.

Two people.

The same two people who were present during the 3/19/12 phone interview with Benjamin Crump and ABC.

The Same two people who’s collaborated on this written page

[ "Dee Dee Letter" exhibit B]

TWO PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW ONE (well, kinda, as W8).

WE NOW KNOW THE OTHER.


...more at link (Comments)
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... -tomorrow/

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:47 pm 
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Thanks for the Updates :51

I want this trial to happen ASAP... it seems to me that the fix is in, and the sooner we get through the lower court stage, the better.. ya never know.. George might win.
However something has cropped up for me personally on the 10th June.. so I will miss that day (of all days).. so a small delay will suit me fine :)

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Come to think of it.... you are right... phew.... in that case... NO DELAY... lets get it done!!! :lol

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How can the State proffer new evidence less than a month from trial commencement, and the defense *not* get a continuance, by default?

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It's quite simple Chip... by order of Judge Nelson.

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So is it just me or does BDLR look like the BTK killer?


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