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Thanks, RiseFromBelow :give

I'll add it to the end of the Hearing Thread.

If anybody wants to review a past hearing.... I always post best Vid I can find at end of the thread.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:58 pm 
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flgirl543 wrote:
Since we now know more about the Ping logs and TM took a detour on his way from 7-11 to RTL, are we to believe he failed to mention this to DD? How does this detour fit with the narrative of rushing home with his snacks to watch the All Star game with his little brother? What about trying to get out of the rain, didn't seem to be a concern, not enough to stop him from taking this detour.


The first person I thought of was Walther! :D


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:00 am 
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Rumpole wrote:
Thanks, RiseFromBelow :give

I'll add it to the end of the Hearing Thread.

If anybody wants to review a past hearing.... I always post best Vid I can find at end of the thread.



Todays hearing. Same audio issues as this morning takes a couple of minutes to get thru it and for it to go away.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:01 am 
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Jello got his "Richardson Hearing" :)

Who knew?...... they are just as crappy as "regular" hearings :lol

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flgirl543 wrote:
Since we now know more about the Ping logs and TM took a detour on his way from 7-11 to RTL, are we to believe he failed to mention this to DD? How does this detour fit with the narrative of rushing home with his snacks to watch the All Star game with his little brother? What about trying to get out of the rain, didn't seem to be a concern, not enough to stop him from taking this detour.


DD covered the detour in her letter:

"Then he decided to find a shortcut cause the man wouldn't follow him."


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See, if the jury is sequestered, I am not sure that is such a great thing. Most intelligent individuals who work for a living will do whatever it takes to avoid being impaneled on a long trial, especially one in which they are sequestered. They will do this by mentioning words like jury nullification, or mentioning that they have a police officer that is a close family friend or relative during voir dire. Those who remain are usually ideologically motivated or just not smart enough to get out of it, and not the folks whom I would want judging me as an innocent man.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:21 am 
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Yes... a cynic might say that a big failing of the jury system is that it only includes people too stupid to get out of it :eek

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I have been using Twitter to see what the other side had to say. It was my impression, based on the last few days but confirmed today, that Crump and team are ditching DD. They feel they have to convict based on the NEN call and GZ statements, W 11 alone.

To put it as they did, GZ is the State's Star Witness. Now I understand that this may not be the prosecution view, but it is interesting what they are saying.


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The cry that GZ's " various versions" of events will convict him has persisted with the cretins whose posts I read.

Of course George's version is has remained unchanged in any real way.....

Cretin posters do not grasp the fundamental principle of the British (American) justice system... The Golden Thread.... innocent until proven guilty.

It is the STATE who are laying charges... they have to go first and present a case (with proof) George need not say anything at all.

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Rumpole wrote:
The cry that GZ's " various versions" of events will convict him has persisted with the cretins whose posts I read.

Of course George's version is has remained unchanged in any real way.....

Cretin posters do not grasp the fundamental principle of the British (American) justice system... The Golden Thread.... innocent until proven guilty.

It is the STATE who are laying charges... they have to go first and present a case (with proof) George need not say anything at all.

I think that is why BDLR was so upset about no Pre-Trial hearing, with burden shifting to the Defense and with an affirmative defense, GZ would have more than likely have to testify, at which point BDLR could badger GZ like he did to West today. I hope all the defense witnesses are prepared because there is more of that coming at trial.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:57 am 
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From CTH..............

Sundance brings together the M-DSPD Cover Up investigation... great stuff

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... lary-tool/

M-DSPD Cover Up – The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin’s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool…
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Ironically were it not for Frances Robles writing a Miami Herald article on March 26th 2012 an entire chain of events would not have taken place.

It was that Robles article, and the outlining of the Miami-Dade School Police Department’s report on a Trayvon Martin incident from October 2011, that kicked off an internal investigation by M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley against his own officers to find out who leaked the police report.

(.......snip.....)

Until we started digging, and the FOIA requests revealed not only the scheme, but the fact a victim was never made whole with the return of their items.

That is, until now.

Yesterday we contacted Detective Manresa, assigned to the burglary case, of the Miami-Dade Police Department to notify him some of his victims’ stolen items were actually in the Miami-Dade property room:

    Subject: Attn: Detective Omar Manresa [RE: PD111021-422483 Burglary at 1300 XX XXXXX]

    Dear Detective Manresa,

    Per phone conversation of 4/30/13 @ 10:20am regarding burglary incident #PD111021-422483

    During the course of research surrounding an internal affairs M-DSPD investigation in March/April of 2012 it coincidentally came to our attention that School Resource Officer Darryl Dunn (Dr. Krop Senior High School) filled out a report of items from a student’s backpack without criminal attachment.

    The internal documentation used by SRO Dunn only listed the contents of the backpack as “found items” and a burglary tool. He was trying to avoid subjecting the student [Trayvon Martin] to a criminal investigation, therefore no criminal report, nor investigation was initiated.

    This action by SRO Dunn was taken at the direction and request of former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley who had advised his officers to avoid writing criminal reports on student offenders; Apparently in an attempt to artificially improve the recorded criminal student statistics.

    The internal report #2011-11477 never attached the stolen property to the student who was carrying it when searched. The property was taken to the custody of Carmen Gonzalez, Property Specialist, where it was held, and still should be located.

    The details surrounding this event are outlined in the following sworn affidavits completed by members of the Miami-Dade School Police Department. (they are extensive)

    (...... links to documents....)

    As mentioned, if you contact the victim of Miami-Dade burglary #PD111021-422483, and review with them the property confiscated by M-DSPD SRO Dunn listed under #2011-11477, we believe you will be able to return at least a portion of the stolen merchandise.

    Perhaps some of the items returned may have sentimental, as well as obvious financial, value.



......more at link (comments)
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... lary-tool/


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Trayvon Martin - NO_LIMIT_NIGGA

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:03 am 
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John_Galt wrote:
The parents wanted Trayvon so much that he was not living with either of them.

Let's not be judgmental...
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\Well, that gave me a giggle!

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boricuafudd wrote:
I have been using Twitter to see what the other side had to say. It was my impression, based on the last few days but confirmed today, that Crump and team are ditching DD. They feel they have to convict based on the NEN call and GZ statements, W 11 alone.

To put it as they did, GZ is the State's Star Witness. Now I understand that this may not be the prosecution view, but it is interesting what they are saying.


I agree, listening to Crump on HLN last night to Ryan Smith, he dismissed the relevance of what he once called the most important witness, *DeeDee*, to it now being George. I see DeeDee in the near future disappearing into the night, never to be heard from again by the state.


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boricuafudd wrote:
I have been using Twitter to see what the other side had to say. It was my impression, based on the last few days but confirmed today, that Crump and team are ditching DD. They feel they have to convict based on the NEN call and GZ statements, W 11 alone.

To put it as they did, GZ is the State's Star Witness. Now I understand that this may not be the prosecution view, but it is interesting what they are saying.


From my observations at Huff 'n Puff, there are relying more on W18 than any other Witness. W11 is on George's side, they just don't see it that way. SMH :95

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I submitted this over at CTH:

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... n&start=15

An excerpt: "And by the way...if one of the cops would be willingly to chime in here...I was wondering?? If committing a criminal act such as what the chief did, does the immunity from direct/personal lawsuits still hold? Or is he himself still immune from civil action since it was in the line of his job as a cop?"

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I'm probably off base, but yesterday's hearing has increased my pessimism GZ will be found guilty. While I can't stand BDLR, I think he came across confident and West came across weak. Except for a few times, West looked confused. I know, that's BDLR MO. I think it will be effective if he can do the same to witnesses, the jury might fall for it. This should be about the facts, the evidence, the truth, but after following the other trial of the century, theatrics can outway everything else.


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