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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:34 pm 
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If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:42 am 
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Re: TM's school district not reporting crimes.

They say it was to protect the kids from having records because of youthful indiscretions. Of course, we know it was for their own "record", to look like crime was going down. But how can they even get away with their excuse - juvenile records are sealed, so they wouldn't follow them anyway, right?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:31 am 
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I know this is cliche, but as a bystander as this heads to trial its watching a train headed to a wreck. Its inevitable that George is going to be found guilty, irregardless. Too many have staked their careers on that outcome. It has to be that way, and I am so frustrated and angry that there isn't a thing I can do about it to stop this.

I'm not sure if I can watch the trial, its like not bothering to read the book, when you already read the ending.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:28 am 
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taurus wrote:
I know this is cliche, but as a bystander as this heads to trial its watching a train headed to a wreck. Its inevitable that George is going to be found guilty, irregardless. Too many have staked their careers on that outcome. It has to be that way, and I am so frustrated and angry that there isn't a thing I can do about it to stop this.

I'm not sure if I can watch the trial, its like not bothering to read the book, when you already read the ending.

One should be discouraged with how the case came about, as the ruling for probable cause revealed where it was headed. But the real mystery is in how the state believes it can prove its case.

Were the circumstances such that they would require GZ to prove his innocence, I'd say the state would have a tough time casting reasonable doubt. Since the reality is that the state must prove guilt, that is where the mystery starts.

The only method that I can come up with for the state to even try to convict GZ would be to show Trayvon attacked GZ as a result of Trayvon believing he feared GZ would injure him, and even if that could somehow be proven (ignoring Trayvon came back to confront GZ), it would still be legal for GZ to defend himself after being attacked.

Instead of being "frustrated and angry that there isn't a thing [you] can do about it," try to figure out how the state could convict GZ …the mystery.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:29 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:38 am 
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You can watch live on your phone as Tony dismisses evidence because it isn't his beat.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:23 pm 
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Darkman wrote:
Some new user registered at CrimeWatchers ... and posted a couple of good messages in Jodi Arias thread ...

Then I see he posted a VERY good post in GZ thread as well: (I wonder how long it will be till someone jumps on him there ... unless they'll let him be ... we'll see, I guess) :)


"CHILL-OUT MAN" wrote:

    Negligence Not Murder

    It is my firm belief that George Zimmerman has been overcharged and the State cannot prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. George was negligent in his actions and by all accounts is not very bright but he had no intent to cause any harm to Trayvon. George bypassed common sense to play cop and deserves to be punished for sure. Just not what the State is charging.
    1) Following someone is not illegal. Stalking does not apply by statute.
    2) neighborhood watch has rules, but NOT LAWS! and George didn't violate any LAW!
    3) Dispatch: "are you following him" GZ"yeah" dis: "we don't need you to do that" GZ "okay"
    a. GZ discontinued following walking away "these effin punks always get away"
    b. He had lost sight of him and had no idea of his whereabouts
    4) George couldn't catch Trayvopn in a phone booth on his best day
    5) Trayvon had plenty of time to make it home but chose not too.
    6) George had a CCW permit and lawfully carried a gun as do 1 million other Floridians
    7) If Trayvon was so scared he could have called 9/11 himself or had DeeDee but, didn't.
    8) no one witnessed the start of the altercation or who threw the first punch.
    9) No LAW was broken till the physical confrontation started, no proof of who started it.
    10.George did have injuries supporting his story of being attacked and assaulted.
    11. Fear for your life or exteme injury has nothing to do the severity of the injury.
    12. an ear witness is one step below an eye witness and eyewitnesses are unreliable
    13. Racist babbling,a false scenario,and wishful thinking will not bring any justice.
    14.Too many doubts exist for the State to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    In All. No conviction here. Not Murder 2 or Manslaughter. overcharges brought about by Rick Scott and Angela Corey overreacting or bowing to mob protesters and public outrage won't accomplish anything.


Good catch DM.... but misplaced in the "Daft" thread.......

This guy (or gal) would be welcome to join us at RT

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:09 pm 
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I did :cool

As always.. Prime Daft ..... every post except "Chill Out Man"

If anybody here knows Chill Out, or can send them a message.... love to have them at RT

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:02 pm 
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http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pr ... jamin.html

"Civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump to speak at Jackson County NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet"


From the article:
"We had some issues in Jackson County that were similar to the issues he is involved in with Trayvon Martin," said Curley Clark, president of the Moss Point-Jackson County NAACP. "And since I knew Ben and he had helped me before, I decided to call on an old friend to revisit this area."

Crump also worked with Clark to represent the families of Jesse Hubbard of Moss Point and Billy Ray Evans of Helena after their deaths inside Moss Point City Jail about 2006. The coroner at the time ruled both cases as suicides, but the families held Moss Point police responsible.

"I think he's going to provide some insight as to the problem regarding racial profiling. It may help us in this area to avoid some of the same problems in the Trayvon Martin case," said Clark"


Excuse me - The FBI concluded that this was not a case of racial profiling, yet Crumpy goes all over the country to provoke minorities by saying it was. Isn't this attorney misconduct?

Is Crump delusional or is he the :29


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:45 pm 
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Above case -

"Families Call For Answers in Moss Point Jail Deaths"

http://www.wlox.com/story/5300559/famil ... ail-deaths


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Crump is delusional and the devil's worker---evil, evil, evil. Willing to do anything---anything---for the Almighty Dollar.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:28 pm 
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:moo Putting poor SHellie on the back burner.

Her case IS on the back burner.. postponed until after GZ trial.... and it is anyway irrelevant to the GZ Murder2 case. :)

"True Crime" forums do not usually concern themselves with perjury cases..(or parking tickets etc.)

The fact that rabid Traybots are so vehement and vocal about this Shellie case speaks to their uniformed, unintelligent hysterical lynch mob frenzy.

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Can they legally even ask what his plans are? I don't see how they have any legal grounds for what they are asking. Of course they haven't had legal grounds for anything they have done so far.


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Darkman wrote:
State wants answer from George Zimmerman on 'stand your ground' hearing

Prosecutor asks judge to conduct "full inquiry" of Trayvon Martin's shooter.



Yep, Bernie sure was pissed when he realized that he might actually have to present his murder case without George Zimmerman ever taking the stand.

Waaaaaahhhhh! Judge Nelson, make them tell us their plans!

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Can they legally even ask what his plans are? I don't see how they have any legal grounds for what they are asking. Of course they haven't had legal grounds for anything they have done so far.



I agree mung. It's like they are forcing defense to show their hand. This is poker and defense shouldn't have to do that.


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Our Legal Eagles: Is the State allowed to do this? THX


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I have opened a separate thread for discussion of the PERJURY case against Shellie Zimmerman.

It had swamped the GZ case discussion totally. I accept that it is a topic of interest because of it's connection with the GZ Murder2 case... even though a mere perjury case would not normally warrant attention at a Crime discussion forum.

However, now that it has its own Thread... feel free to discuss it.

As we say in the Antipodes.... "Fill yer boots"

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN - Perjury
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I was on my way here to find something to lift my spirits about GZ receiving some kind of a fair trial. However on the way I see Pam Biondi has made it know what the state of Fla has to say about Crump, and that tells me the trial of George is just going to be an excercise in futilty. What a sham this case is.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0413/re ... o_writ.pdf


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