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http://newamericamedia.org/2012/04/what ... martin.php

In light of what we know now, nothing could be farther from the truth than that article. It infuriates me that experts look to the outside the black community to blame for the statistics and never look within.

From the link:
"Martin, an African American, shared the experience of many young black students in American public schools, who are given suspensions and expulsions at a disproportionate rate to other groups. That fact isn’t news. But for decades, the disparity has grown exponentially, as some teachers and other education professionals still believe that casting away minority students keeps others safe, and teaches the offending student a lesson."

Also:
“In cases where white kids get suspended, it’s either you had the drugs, or you didn’t,” Dianis said. “Either you had the knife, or you didn’t.”
The color of a student’s skin, Dianis added, makes subordination and wearing baseball caps in school suspension worthy offenses. There is no restorative process. They are sent on "vacations" from school, which are frequently unsupervised.

In Trayvon’s case, his father Tracy Martin and mother Sybrina Fulton wanted him in Sanford, away from his friends back in Miami, a close family friend told CNN. Martin’s suspension was supervised.

Dianis said students who are put out on the street, thanks to swift suspension from school, are at-risk for more of the same trouble that got them the suspension in the first place.

It’s been reported that Trayvon had aspirations in the field of aviation. An e-mail account belonging to the teen, which was apparently hacked by an anarchist group, showed Trayvon was looking for colleges to attend and was preparing to take the SATs.

Although Martin family lawyers have not confirmed the breach, it’s clear there was more to Trayvon, the student, than occasional mischief and a few suspensions."

BBM

When my daughter was in high school she didn't even have a drivers license and because her smart arse skipped so many days she wasn't able to even get one until she didn't miss something like 90 consecutive days. I cant remember all the numbers but I still have ALL the papers&will look tomo. She made some poor choices back then and found out the hard way that they weren't kidding and because of all her poor choices she wasn't able to get a drivers license until she was 21. I went thru hell and back with that child I've been to MANY of those truancy meetings. THAT is why TM didn't have a learners permit or license, he missed way too much school. Attendance goes right to the DMV here..its kinda automatic.

I did some bolding too!

The fact remains that for that weekend, he wasn't supervised in any substantial manner. His father was at his convention, along with his girlfriend Sat night. They spent 30 or so minutes at Chad's FB game. I think his coach even took him to the game and Stephen drove them home. She came home Sunday morning at some point then left again mostly to join Tracy back at the convention that had wrapped up. Neither one them was around when Trayvon got bored and went to 7-Eleven.

It says a lot that Tracy took him to Sanford to get him away from his friends. Where they cutting class too? How much trouble could he get into by himself up until 3:30 or so and 5:30ish when his mother got home.

Trayvon failed his FCAT. He wasn't going to graduate on time. He was always late and bragged about it on Twitter. He was thirteen, a freshman at CCHS, when he made the decision to get involved with aviation.

IMO, his life took a turn when his father hooked up with Brandy Green. He watched his father's marriage get shredded and that was one of a security net for him. I believe that Alice genuinely loved him. She said they separated a few weeks before the shooting. Yet Brandy Green said that she had been with Tracy in a relationship for approx. 2 years and that Trayvon had been to Sanford 7-8 times. Was Trayvon keeping secrets from Alice at his father's request?

By all accounts he wasn't a bad kid up until the time he was forced to leave Carol City. And I still want to know what happened at CCHS that caused his mother to pull him out, sometime in the spring year, and before the end of the school year. Without a transfer where the custodial parent is moving, out of the district, it has always been off to me.

So yes, I believe he was acting out due to his home situation. Writing "WTF" on lockers is an act of hostility. Smoking weed is just another way to escape.

With both of these individuals being suspicious of one another everything that they did confirmed their own suspicions.

He was a rebel without a clue when he decided to take his aggressions out on a short Hispanic man he thought he could handle. Turned out the guy was armed.

Reminder


As well as this DAILY discussion thread about the GZ case... there is also

DAILY DAFT POSTS FROM JUSTARSE QUEST
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=822&p=31913#p31913



If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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The social solutions our government provides (entitlements) tend to afford financial security (no fail) that has left only one parent responsible (single-parent households), the overwhelming majority absent the father.

We all know parenting can be a challenge for TWO sound parents, or at least that TWO make it more likely that a parent will notice the lessons a child is in need of. Trayvon evidently had a happy, solid TWO parent household up until approximately his last year or so.

The combination of our social solutions and single-parent households seem to provide the intercity schools with parenting duties; BM students without the father figures necessary to provide the discipline they can.

Trayvon may be a prime example to show the differences we can anticipate between single-parent and TWO parent households. All the "cheerfulness" and successful years of his life pointed out by the Scheme Team seem to have been prior to Trayvon's TWO parent household starting to crumble.

Maybe Fulton could copyright the parenting lesson we can learn from this case.

"IMO, his life took a turn when his father hooked up with Brandy Green."

If you have ever read some of my previous post at D-mans or CTH, you'd find that your statement is what I also been saying. I've made no excuses for saying that Tracy is SCUM. I have said many times over that HE is the reason for his son's change in demeanor. HE is the reason for his son's attitude towards school. HE is the reason for his son's death.

HE decided to make Brandi a priority in his life over his son's needs and wants. When time was needed to spend time with his mistress, HE took that time from Trayvon, NOT Alicia. Taking time from Alicia would have made her question what he was doing. That time spent with her was evidenced that fateful weekend when he stayed in Orlando with Brandi while he babysat Chad. (At least he got paid for that.)

I know that MOM/West wouldn't have the balls to present this fact at trial. But, wouldn't it be great for them to point these facts out to the jury.

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BM students without the father figures necessary to provide the discipline they can.

The problem is that when one tries to address that exact issue, they are labeled as racists; as what happened to Newt when he brought that up in the Republican primaries. No one wants to put blame there. Why? IDK. I don't have an answer, but looking the other way when misdeeds are done is NOT an answer.

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Why does this article give me pause? Does it seem to suggust that GZ, without a doubt is guilty in spite of he not having his day in court yet? This has been the mind set from day one. This new chief pandering to the black neighborhoods is for what? To reassure them?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 1906.story

I have "an answer"; restructure the entitlement programs... won't happen with Barry adding to them constantly.

Sorry to have drifted OT. The situation of Trayvon's past ("cheerfulness") and where he went the last year+/- just struck me as a fine example of where our entitlement programs take us, as if it was some evil plan to destroy FAMILY within the culture level most likely to receive entitlement funding.

What's Crump trying to hide?

The real reason he got involved in this case...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I get a different take. Many, many places across the country with large minority populations are gearing up for the verdict. I think the preparation is for a "not guilty" verdict. If this was a slam dunk guilty, the concern would be far less. Although, there would be some "reaction" if it was guilty as well (any excuse is better than none for looting, and mindless rampages). I hope he accomplishes his goal, but count me skeptical.

I'm liking the comments to the article!

Oh, and if Crump wanted it so secret, WHY did he FILE it?

I agree... hard to fathom why he filed it.

I can only assume he is just stupid... simple as that.

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Maybe some information hasn't been released because the parties involved want to release it in a controlled fashion. During a trial where all the cultists can be stepped through the evidence and so hopefully understand and accept why George is innocent. A premature release of some things wouldn't provide the benefit of explanation and context. I think both the prosecution and defense know George is innocent and will be found not guilty. They're just going through the motions.

I recall mention (forget the source) that people in Sanford are preparing to discuss each day of the trial with their communities and explain the legal issues involved. They want to reduce the chance of riots and foster acceptance.

Just a theory.

Absolutely, flgirl. Crump's desperation to seal the amount awarded is beyond transparent. He sees, just like we do, that a jury will NOT take too kindly to seeing that Trayvon's parents went for and RECEIVED a TON of money before there was even a trial. Doesn't look good or speak too kindly about Tray Mom and Dad motivations, intentions or true quest for justice for their son - just $$$$$.

I say to hell with daily discussions of the trial with the Sanford "community." I say day 1 of the trial, line the streets of Sanford and anywhere else riots are threatened with a massive, visible display of force in the form of police, National Guard, and any other agencies/organizations who specialize in armed crowd control. This whole business of "tamping down" and appeasement of would-be lawbreakers, rioters and looters will get us exactly nowhere.

I don't think he is stupid at all. He has been light years ahead in PR from the beginning. To me this is the same thing. PR. And to show the Judge that he is opposing counsel. Like a reinforcement to her and throwing his fans a bone to chew on.

People keep mistaking lazy dialects as dumb. Be it southern or ebonics or whatever. My advice is never underestimate the opposition because of speech patterns. It will bite you in the butt more often than not.

This is coming from a woman who can turn "pig" into two syllables.

Also, set up roadblocks and don't let the busses in with the out of towners who are the ones actually planning the rioting and looting.

You make good points, but what we cannot fathom is that after filing it (yes, I do believe he did it to show he was "opposing counsel") for a specific purpose, now he also wants it sealed to "help" him/Tray parents out of the "looking bad before the jury" problem.

He wants his cake and to eat it, too. Sorry, but that's not how life works, Crump!