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Part 6 – The Trayvon Martin Cover Up: Detective Steven Hadley Sr. Sworn Affidavit (Trayvon FOIA #13)
Posted on April 14, 2013 by sundance

First a recap - From the initial FOIA information provided with affidavits from M-DSPD Commander Fox-Williams, and Sergeant William Tagle, we learn the following:

- A specific and intentional program was instituted by M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley to change the way the criminal activity of young black male school students was recorded. Several processes from invoking the “Baker Act” to flat-out manipulating police reports, and in some cases not writing them at all, was used. This led to a 60% statistical reduction in criminal recording and engagement. The implication within the research points to Hurley following the instructions of School Superintendent Alberto M Carvalho who appointed Hurley as police chief.

*Alberto Carvalho has close ties to the White House and the Obama administration.

- We know Trayvon Martin was one of the students who benefitted from such a procedural change, because the School Resource Officer, Darryl Dunn, gave statements during the internal affairs investigation admitting as such.

SRO Dunn admitted to changing the “jewelry and burglary tool” incident with Trayvon Martin as at least one example of the criminal justice avoidance objectives. Instead of opening a criminal investigation into the stolen jewelry, Dunn listed the incident report as “found jewelry” and the physical evidence was moved to storage where it sat uninvestigated and unpursued.

- We also know from Commander Fox-Williams that Major Gerald Kitchell became aware of the risk optics during the early phase of the issue. His initial response to looking at Trayvon Martin’s file of records and known activity was: “oh God, oh no, oh my God”. After which he dispatched Commander Williams to instruct everyone to stop the obfuscation process and accurately record all future incidents.

- After getting the new directive from Commander Williams, Officer Roger Ramirez pointed out that Chief Hurley himself was the one who gave the orders not to follow-up, pursue, or record criminal activity. Ramirez was quite annoyed that *NOW* they were told to do their jobs correctly and accurately, after spending all the time letting students “off the hook” so-to-speak.

In the next FOIA release you will read the statement of M-DSPD Detective Steven Hadley Sr. Detective Hadley was the first person in M-DSPD to be contacted by the Sanford Police Department (SPD) following Trayvon Martin’s shooting death.

Hadley was contacted via phone by Sergeant Randy Smith of the SPD (Sanford) on February 29th 2012. Smith was assembling information for a “victimology report” on Trayvon Martin – the report would later be used by lead Detective Chris Serino.

Hadley sent Smith an 8 page report that we know also through the FOIA information was not the full M-DSPD file on Trayvon Martin. It was not the full file because many of the Martin reports were coded as such and not assigned to his “name”. This issue is also outlined in the Hadley affidavit below.

However, strangely and perhaps more aptly, mysteriously, there is no record in the George Zimmerman criminal case of the information sent by Hadley to Smith. Nor is there any mention of it in the victimology report that Detective Serino eventually completed. Sergeant Smith became Lieutenant Smith and soon after retired from the Sanford Police force in January of 2013.

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/135684004/Ste ... estigation


....more at link (comments)
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... n-foia-13/

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Rumpole wrote:
Just came across this from my old buddy Waltherppk at CTH......
(In response to Gladys Zimmerman's letter)

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-370067


Glad you caught that. Lord knows I have harped on that matter because it is recognized to be such key evidence. I have repeatedly addressed the matter directly to immediate family members of George, his attorney directly, and the news media...with absolutely ZERO RESPONSE from any of them. And like i have said repeatedly the matter is definitely not going away but only becoming more interesting the longer that such key evidence is concealed. And plainly it is being concealed. It is like the 600 pound elephant in the room, complete with elephant aroma, circus bouquet #5 from the circus railroad train collection.

Ironically perhaps, a few of the more rational Trayvon warrior types have sufficient intelligence to "get it" about the key evidentiary nature of the detailed expert forensics analysis regarding the phones and have echoed and affirmed my sentiments that the expert forensics analysis for the phones is indeed key evidence and it should have been disclosed already, and ought to be disclosed. Of course they believe a truth will be revealed that inculpates George rather than exculpates George. Anyway, the irony is at least some Trayvon warriors too would like to see the cards put on the table to answer the obvious questions and put an end to the speculations with reliable evidence, no matter in whose favor that evidence may be. Truth has no agenda ultimately for those who actually do seek the truth. Good to know the truth first, and then have an agenda later based on good information, not speculation. Until the expert analysis of the forensics is published, then all there can be is speculation based upon incomplete information which leaves too many unanswered questions.

That full report of an expert regarding the phone evidence should have seen the light of day a long time ago. So why has it been concealed?

What comes back as the answer, like always ....crickets, nothing but crickets ...
well imagine that.



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Hi Walther.... nice to see you here.... your greatness and wise thoughts proceed you... as you see. :28

I accepted at the start that prosecution play games.. delay the release of some evidence... but within a REASONABLE time frame.

Perhaps? hold back ping logs, full tox report on TM etc in first discovery release? but include it in second.. that sort of thing.

But what we have after all this time is unbelievable. So much so that we have all thought "O'Mara MUST have this stuff.. he just hasn't said so publicly... but apparently not?

So WHY OH WHY has he not been screaming his tits off long before now?

It beggars belief!!

As you (and I) have said repeatedly.. the simple phone evidence let alone ping logs and full analysis may well blow this case out of the water... so why not look at that as STEP ONE!!! Either there is some sort of a half-arsed case here.. or more likely there is no case at all. Why not sort that out first??

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What we have here.............

Big Nothing - The MacManus Gang


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@Rumpole
Sounds like theme music for a B movie ...maybe....
a spaghetti western Sanford Style :Q23

A Fistful Of Blunts
For A Few Skittles More
The Man With No Father
The Good, The Bad, and the MMA Style

or

Just Walking In The Rain
Just Looking At Houses
Just Looking Around
Now He's Just Looking At Me
He's Coming To Check Me Out
I Don't Know What This Guy's Deal Is
He's On Drugs or Something
He Looks Black .... Aiyeeeeeee Black I Said
He Looks Up To No Good
He's Got Something In His Hand
Hurry Please
He Ran, These Assholes Always Get Away
I Don't Want To Give It Out
I Don't Know Where This Kid Is
Just Have The Police Call Me When They Get Here


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:52 am 
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Ottawa925 wrote:
From the 106 page link, in particular, Tagle's statement, which is jawdropping BTW, especially the end where he just makes a prepared statement, Tagle states:

School Years:

2008-2010 - 508 Baker Acts.
2010-2011 - 723 Baker Acts.

^^ what in the heck is going on at these schools :eek


Yikes!! This is jaw dropping.


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Rumpole wrote:
I see the fix is in. Forget about motions and hearings.

Lets give it a shot on June 10. 6 normal people should see through this nonsense.

I predict BDLR will win a prize for shortest opening statement ever. There is no case.


Would the state allow *six normal people* to make it on the jury? Why do I have a feeling that will attempt to stack the deck against the defense?

I hate that the defense would throw caution to the wind without attempting to stop this trainwreck before it gets to trial. I don't have faith in Florida juries.


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Darkman wrote:
There was a headline earlier today:

Port cop fired for using Trayvon-resembling shooting target, officials say

Apr. 13, 2013 3:58 PM

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130413/NEWS01/130413004/Port-cop-fired-using-Trayvon-resembling-shooting-target-officials-say

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and now the cop releases a statement:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/ar ... polic.html

the video can be viewed HERE:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/ba ... %20Youtube

Another viideo - Extended Interview: Interim CEO John Walsh explains cop's termination:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/ba ... ermination


I hope the officer sues the department for wrongful termination.

By the way, I think this is the target in question:

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Would the state allow *six normal people* to make it on the jury? Why do I have a feeling that will attempt to stack the deck against the defense?

I hate that the defense would throw caution to the wind without attempting to stop this trainwreck before it gets to trial. I don't have faith in Florida juries.

It would be nice if it never went to trial.. charges dismissed... and that was what I thought would happen for a long time.

But I have joined the pessimists... the fix is in. It WILL go to trial.

Nelson's rulings NEVER help GZ.. so more time to file more motions aint gonna help.

I agree Jury selection will decide the case.

But I am picking that MOM can avoid all six being dingbats... so hung Jury at worst.

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Rumpole:

I can identify with waltherppk's unease towards the ping logs mystery.

No doubt many unanswered questions concerning the cellphone(s), battery, etc are known to MOM/West and the prosecution. To the extent that this data is exculpatory to GZ and its substance has not been revealed publicly by MOM, there must be a reason and/or a strategy.

If MOM felt that he could the end prosecution of GZ right here and now, he would do it. We can only speculate at this point.

What MOM, or any defense attorney, takes into account is that any action he contemplates filing must take account what may transpire if that motion does not succeed and what would be the negative consequences to the case further down the line from a precedential consideration.

Judge Nelson has been exceedingly deferential to the prosecution. However, her most recent ruling in allowing videotaping to go forward offers a glimmer of llight which may portend a more balanced assessment on her part going forward.


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I WISH I could share your optimism Hooson1st.

But.......

Assuming "MOM must have stuff"... has proved false in the past.. we get confirmation that he does not.

And the stuff we are talking about (Ping logs etc) SHOULD have been obtained and released very early on. When it was not MOM should have complained. Why did he not?

I do not see ANY glimmer of hope in Nelson's rulings? The nonsensical stuff about Crump being "opposing counsel" snuffed out any spark of optimism I still retained.

The ONLY glimmer of hope is that that ruling has precipitated the petition to 5DCA...

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Rumpole wrote:
I WISH I could share your optimism Hooson1st.

But.......

Assuming "MOM must have stuff"... has proved false in the past.. we get confirmation that he does not.

And the stuff we are talking about (Ping logs etc) SHOULD have been obtained and released very early on. When it was not MOM should have complained. Why did he not?

I do not see ANY glimmer of hope in Nelson's rulings? The nonsensical stuff about Crump being "opposing counsel" snuffed out any spark of optimism I still retained.

The ONLY glimmer of hope is that that ruling has precipitated the petition to 5DCA...



Have you seen this? http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... in#p984831

This seems to be an intradepartmental request within their blog. Here's a line(s) that will stand out:

"I am also interested in the following, and request any additional information anonymously regarding the below:

Previous threats by Trayvon Martin to kill his mother.

Information regarding Trayvon Martin committing burglaries in the neighborhood, off campus, during school hours."

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Someone isn't happy with SD's postings.

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... 7#p1026257

Re: IA Files via Freedom of Information Act
by I wanna know » 04/14/13 09:47:06

After reading this very bias report of findings and story tales ---what actually does all this bull shit mean. Posting pictures of people on here to reflect your version of this fairy take-- I hope you have copies of media releases from the photos you have placed on this site--as you want to reveal what you believe is or went on I'd better not see my face on here I've given no releases to anyone to produce any pictures of me or post on this ridiculous site. Noted this 14th day of April 2013.


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Rumpole:

I share your angst as to the cellphones and ping logs. I am up in the air as to how this all turns out, all though I cannot see how this case passes muster under any definition.

However, I do exercise caution as to speculating what goes on inside the defense counsel quarters. It is simply my experience that leads me to being more reserved as to assigning explanations for conduct that I do not have sufficient information upon which to base it.


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flgirl543 wrote:
Someone isn't happy with SD's postings.

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... 7#p1026257

Re: IA Files via Freedom of Information Act
by I wanna know » 04/14/13 09:47:06

After reading this very bias report of findings and story tales ---what actually does all this bull shit mean. Posting pictures of people on here to reflect your version of this fairy take-- I hope you have copies of media releases from the photos you have placed on this site--as you want to reveal what you believe is or went on I'd better not see my face on here I've given no releases to anyone to produce any pictures of me or post on this ridiculous site. Noted this 14th day of April 2013.


"I wanna know"

Typical misnomer name from such people... best described generically as "Don't wanna know"

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Hooson1st wrote:
Rumpole:

I share your angst as to the cellphones and ping logs. I am up in the air as to how this all turns out, all though I cannot see how this case passes muster under any definition.

However, I do exercise caution as to speculating what goes on inside the defense counsel quarters. It is simply my experience that leads me to being more reserved as to assigning explanations for conduct that I do not have sufficient information upon which to base it.


I appreciate your caution. :)

I have been following cases for a few years... and come from a "case itself" perspective and not conspiracies and political schemes.... but there is TOO MUCH of that obviously swirling around this case to ignore it.

Something is afoot beyond straight legal considerations.. even beyond the games that lawyers always play with discovery etc. :95

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Being that I can't double quote, E's link is quite interesting.

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... in#p984831

What if any of this is true? There must be a way to find this out.

I was not at all suprised about the Miami/Dade police squashing their numbers re the black students. Very early on in this case I had bookmarked that info and just knew Trayvon had been handled through that policy...The schools set up their own in house courts to keep the deliguents from getting a public record.


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This is the link I saved from over a year ago about the Restorative program in the Miami/Dade schools.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/what-if- ... on-martin/

oops

Try this link

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Is+there+a ... orm=IE8SRC

Top link works ok for me
But I'll leave Bing search as well


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flgirl543 wrote:
That explains one reason TM didn't have a drivers license.

Another good carch, flgirl543. In the Esquire article, his parents mention that TM has just passed the written segment of the DL test online. I found that odd because of its relevance to the article and for a 17 year old boy who is yet to have one...

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