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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:55 pm 
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When I say discussion "of" I am not banning mention of Sundance :)

Just questioning his (imagined) motives etc.. is off topic... the substance is great.

I am reading SD's comments and enthusiasm over there. :)

From CTH......

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April 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm

Don’t get too excited all. FOIA responses many times aren’t actually ‘responsive’. Depends on the arbitrator or editor or filter it comes through.

Hoping for the best here. Fearing the worst.

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Your hopes are fulfilled – your fears are unfounded :D :D

All I can say so far is “OH MY GOD and WOW, just WOW”…..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:56 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
There endeth the discussion of "Sundance"

Lets stick to the actual FOIA... what it does or does not contain we will know soon (perhaps)


Since the school records are protected by law, I would caution too much exposure to the sunlight. Just IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:02 pm 
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I agree, Deb

From the "protected by law" point of view AND from the point of view of aiding the enemy and feeding cretin posters. (at some sites)

I am SURE Sundance is aware of that sort of stuff :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:12 pm 
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I think we may be seeing the tip of the iceberg. Gladys words keep ringing in my ears...

"The truth will finally be revealed to many, but to some who have always seen through the narrative the truth George always told will be “revealed”,but rather “confirmed”


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:18 pm 
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I could see a large chunk of the "iceberg" very early on.....

But I do agree we are seeing more and more.

It remains frustrating that someone does not call a halt to this farce.... like.... a "grown-up" needs to step in.

Maybe the 5DCA will be that "Grown-up" ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
I agree, Deb

From the "protected by law" point of view AND from the point of view of aiding the enemy and feeding cretin posters. (at some sites)

I am SURE Sundance is aware of that sort of stuff :D

I am not sure he gives two poops. LOL. But it will be nice to see what he got in hard evidence, like the letter he posted. I can get into that part, not so much the "insider information" line.


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Loose lips sink ships...the gig is up...fess up...the party's over...step up to the plate...

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How is that saying there more than one way to skin a *** (edit Rumpole) DOG, anyway from what I am gathering is coming from a completely unrelated matter(the deposition of the women that filed a lawsuit against Miami Schools PD chief), that intercepted with TM and their dealings while Baker acting TM. So it is entirely possible that this information is not available to MOM, who only got the normal school records which would not include the diversionary program acts. Good, lets air it all out.


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Rumpole wrote:
Crump continues to prove the old adage:

A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client

I wonder..... can Crump sue himself as ineffective counsel? :lol

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Crump voluntarily files with the court evidence that, per Florida standard jury instructions, is apparently useful only for impeaching his own clients. "Tell me the story like you told it to Mr. Tracy and Ms. Sybrina"; then denies all prior knowledge of W8 and also admits waiver of privilege in paragraph 34 of his affidavit and follows that up with direct filing of impeachment evidence with the court. WTF ? Is Crump trying to throw Sybrina and Tracy under the bus?

It would ice the cake nicely if insurance company and / or HOA sues Crump for breach of confidentiality.


Why did Crump file the confidential information?

A question discussed. Your answer above makes more sense than opposing counsel.


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Rumpole wrote:
I agree, Deb

From the "protected by law" point of view AND from the point of view of aiding the enemy and feeding cretin posters. (at some sites)

I am SURE Sundance is aware of that sort of stuff :D
DebFrmHell wrote:

I am not sure he gives two poops. LOL. But it will be nice to see what he got in hard evidence, like the letter he posted. I can get into that part, not so much the "insider information" line.

Who must follow the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA):

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/1002.22

Nothing on blogs posts there.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:33 am 
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Reminder


As well as this DAILY discussion thread about the GZ case... there is also

DAILY DAFT POSTS FROM JUSTARSE QUEST
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=822&p=31413#p31413


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If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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"Defense Lawyer Wants details of Trayvon Martin Lawsuit"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... t/2075759/

From the article"

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, said the details of the wrongful-death settlement are irrelevant and that O'Mara is simply trying to divert attention away from the facts of the criminal case.

"They are trying to keep the attention off of the night George Zimmerman profiled, pursued, and killed Trayvon Martin," Crump said. "The parents entered into a confidential settlement, with confidential parties for a confidential sum... It has no bearing on the criminal matter."

O'Mara argues however that Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, could be biased witnesses as a result of the money they have received.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:20 am 
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But.... Dopey Crump... filed and attached a copy of that "confidential" agreement to This case.. :lol

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"Defense Lawyer Wants details of Trayvon Martin Lawsuit"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... t/2075759/

From the article"

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, said the details of the wrongful-death settlement are irrelevant and that O'Mara is simply trying to divert attention away from the facts of the criminal case.

"They are trying to keep the attention off of the night George Zimmerman profiled, pursued, and killed Trayvon Martin," Crump said. "The parents entered into a confidential settlement, with confidential parties for a confidential sum... It has no bearing on the criminal matter."

O'Mara argues however that Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, could be biased witnesses as a result of the money they have received.

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Lots of confidential there, Crump. How is it you think the public will feel assured they've learned the TRUTH if everything you do is confidential ...you know, like the details you hope to not testify about???

Meanwhile, a good friend over at Liestoppers forum pointed out a little humor from the ABC Link provided in a previous post here:

    [...] Little evidence, she said, has been available to the public since her son's arrest and she accused the Martin family's defense lawyer, Benjamin Crump, of "confusing the public and manipulating perception" in order to sway public opinion.

So Crump is now their DEFENSE lawyer?!?!


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Rumpole wrote:
But.... Dopey Crump... filed and attached a copy of that "confidential" agreement to This case.. :lol


So he did not have to turn the settlement agreement over to the court? I do not understand why the HOA settled. Can anyone explain in layman's terms why they would settle before the criminal trial? I think O'Mara made a valid point in his motion when he says money can change a witness' statement. It does not make sense to me.

Also seems most of the witnesses in this case have been tainted.


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Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, said the details of the wrongful-death settlement are irrelevant and that O'Mara is simply trying to divert attention away from the facts of the criminal case.


So why did Crump file a confidential, irrelevant, distracting agreement with the court?


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John -- LOL. Exactly!


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DebFrmHell wrote:
Since the school records are protected by law, I would caution too much exposure to the sunlight. Just IMO.


Anything released - to a member of the public - via a FOIA request would not, by definition, be protected; otherwise, such records would be statutorily exempt from public disclosure, and the FOIA request would have been denied.

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It appears that someone did speak up. Refer to your quoted response to the LEO Affairs forum post. Someone gave up just enough information to point Sundance in the right direction to make a specific FOIA request.

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Credence wrote:
So he did not have to turn the settlement agreement over to the court?


I have seen nothing that required Crump to file the agreement with the court. It is possible that something could have come up in connection with depositions of Sybrina and/or Tracy.


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I do not understand why the HOA settled. Can anyone explain in layman's terms why they would settle before the criminal trial?


Possible factors motivating HOA settlement:

1. potential HOA liability regardless of outcome of criminal trial - 776.032 immunity would not protect HOA
2. litigation costs - attorneys' fees can instead be diverted to settlement, with a guaranteed, rather than uncertain result
3. remove cloud over HOA - perhaps makes it difficult to sell property, reduces property values as nobody wants to buy into a share of potential multi-million dollar liability.
4. window of opportunity - risk aversion - bad stuff has come out about W8 and bad stuff about Trayvon's school records is apparently also known - This may have motivated Scheme Team to reduce settlement demands.

Bonus: GZ gets to use evidence of settlement to impeach the credibility of Sybrina and Tracey at trial



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I think O'Mara made a valid point in his motion when he says money can change a witness' statement.


I think it is also true. Sybrina at one point said, and after consultation with attorney later retracted, that the shooting was an accident. Tracy, in the presence of 3 cops, said that the voice screaming on the 911 call was not Trayvon. After consultation with attorneys, he denied making that statement.

The entire motivation for the scheme is money. NEN and 911 calls released 3/16; W8 interview on 3/19; CNN press conference designed to motivate arrest on 3/20; trademark applications for using trademarks in interstate commerce filed on 3/21; trashcan tours and fundraisers follow.


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