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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:12 pm 
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SD over at CTH just posted a teaser page of approx 1000 pages of FOIA documents, looks like from police files from TM school records, etc. ??? :63


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:22 pm 
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SD over at CTH just posted a teaser page of approx 1000 pages of FOIA documents, looks like from police files from TM school records, etc. ??? :63

A FOIA request wouldn't give SD access to any of Trayvon's juvenile records. At least AFAIK. SD doesn't have access to anything MOM doesn't have access to. Whatever he gained from his FOIA requests he will somehow spin to fit his agenda and throw another punch at MOM. SD is doing more harm than good for George at this point.


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DebFrmHell wrote:
It is very easy. I know they are full of **** and they don't want to admit it. If I were in their position, I wouldn't either.

Deb, if you ever find yourself in a 'child' argument, use these two quotes from the Esquire article:
Tracy said about Trayvon: ‘Look at this man over there. He over there on the phone, talkin’ to a little girl.’
DeWayne Horton says this when asked if the girls liked he and his friend Trayvon: ‘Of course. Two good-looking men.’

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SD over at CTH just posted a teaser page of approx 1000 pages of FOIA documents, looks like from police files from TM school records, etc. ??? :63



Yes... good news. :)

This was forewarned.... I think some patience is still required. Sundance (and admin) will need to decide what to share... and exactly how to do that.

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RiseFromBelow wrote:
A FOIA request wouldn't give SD access to any of Trayvon's juvenile records. At least AFAIK.


Are you merely speculating, or do you have specific knowledge?

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/family/schoo ... /Ferpa.pdf

See page 2 under "Exceptions"

records of a school or a school district's law enforcement unit

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/man ... f3006f5bd4

Section 1002.221, F.S., provides that education records are confidential and prohibits an agency, as defined in s. 1002.22(1)(a), F.S., or a public school, center, institution, or other entity that is part of Florida's education system under s. 1000.04(1), (3), or (4), from releasing a student's education records (as defined in FERPA and implementing regulations) without the student's or parent's written consent, except as permitted by FERPA, or to the Auditor General or the Office of Program Policy Analysis and Government Accountability, when necessary for such agencies to perform their official duties and responsibilities. But see s. 1002.221(2)(b), F.S., permitting an agency to release student education records without the written consent of the student or parent to parties to an interagency agreement among the Department of Juvenile Justice, the school, law enforcement authorities, and other signatory agencies.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/1002.221


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John_Galt wrote:
Are you merely speculating, or do you have specific knowledge?

No specific knowledge. I did say AFAIK.

Do you honestly think SD gained access to Trayvon's records by an FOIA request or that he somehow gained access to things MOM couldn't and hasn't? I await his revelations.



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Are you saying that Sundance is just a sweet transvestite? :lol

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RiseFromBelow wrote:
Do you honestly think SD gained access to Trayvon's records by an FOIA request or that he somehow gained access to things MOM couldn't and hasn't? I await his revelations.


SD should obviously not have a greater scope of access than MOM. MOM's school records subpoenas seem pretty extensive in scope, but don't specifically mention school police records (they say entire file and also specify disciplinary records). However, since we don't know the scope of SD's FOIA requests, nor where he sent the requests, it appears to me that it is logically possible that SD could have obtained information which MOM did not.


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Are you saying that Sundance is just a sweet transvestite? :lol


I think he has me pegged. I actually have The Rocky Horror Picture Show 35th Anniversary Blu-Ray sitting on my TV stand at the moment.


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I had it on VHS and was addicted... also it was played at EVERY university event I ever went to I think... stuck on late after midnight.

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John_Galt wrote:
SD should obviously not have a greater scope of access than MOM. MOM's school records subpoenas seem pretty extensive in scope, but don't specifically mention school police records (they say entire file and also specify disciplinary records). However, since we don't know the scope of SD's FOIA requests, nor where he sent the requests, it appears to me that it is logically possible that SD could have obtained information which MOM did not.

SD may very well have gained access to information that forwards his agenda, but I seriously doubt any of it relates directly to the Zimmerman case. SD is on a mission to prove young black people are given breaks in the educational system. He may very well have found something. But will it be useful to the defense in the Zimmerman case? Had he gained anything that shows Trayvon benefited from any such breaks? Personally, I doubt it. It is possible that someone will testify and say that Trayvon should have been arrested and charged because of something he did while in school, but such testimony is hardly the result of an FOIA request.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:03 pm 
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We will know in the fullness of time (as my Mother used to say) :)

Even if both sets of info are the same....... MOM may not have shown us his. Maybe Sundance will share? Who knows.

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RiseFromBelow wrote:
SD may very well have gained access to information that forwards his agenda, but I seriously doubt any of it relates directly to the Zimmerman case.


Appears to me that the letter to Hadley which SD posted relates directly to the Zimmerman case.


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SD is on a mission to prove young black people are given breaks in the educational system.


That has already been proven.

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He may very well have found something. But will it be useful to the defense in the Zimmerman case? Had he gained anything that shows Trayvon benefited from any such breaks? Personally, I doubt it.


We already know that Trayvon committed multiple crimes at school for which he could have been, but was apparently not criminally prosecuted: vandalizing school locker(s); possession of marijuana; and perhaps also truancy, trespassing, possession of stolen jewelry and possession of a burglary tool. There is also the tweet about punching a bus driver. It would be unsurprising to learn that Trayvon was coddled rather than prosecuted.

SD has consistently stated that he is not on a mission to specifically help GZ. He is on a mission to reveal the truth and expose the Scheme Team.

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It is possible that someone will testify and say that Trayvon should have been arrested and charged because of something he did while in school, but such testimony is hardly the result of an FOIA request.


I doubt there will be any such testimony because it is precluded by the rules of evidence. It seems to me that admissible evidence related to "Trayvon was a bad boy", if any, will be confined to testimony as to his reputation for violence. Evidence of specific acts of misconduct will not be admitted, unless BDLR makes a huge blunder and opens the door.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:28 pm 
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There endeth the discussion of "Sundance"

Lets stick to the actual FOIA... what it does or does not contain we will know soon (perhaps)

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If I may offer my two cents, rather than concentrate on SD motivations and objectives, lets appreciate all the information that he does provides us. We don't have to agree with him, we don't have believe him, appreciate what does, the rest is up to everyone individually. :86 :86
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A very interesting site with some interesting stuff from Miami Dade School Police DEpartment

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... in#p984831


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Thanks for the Rene link.

She is showing some signs of improving....

"Zimmerman shot Trayvon Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford."


Still got the First name V l;ast name thing going on... but has dropped race references at least.

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A very interesting site with some interesting stuff from Miami Dade School Police DEpartment

http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... in#p984831


Yes... Thanks FlGirl... I'll quote excerpt here....



Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman
Postby interestedparty » 12/16/12 19:11:29

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If there is anyone willing to speak anonymously, and off the record regarding any police reports, incident reports, or school records concerning Trayvon Martin, please contact me at the following e-mail address, or post it here. It has recently come to my attention, that members of the Miami-Dade County Schools Police may have information related to this case that may prove to be relevant to the defense of George Zimmerman. I am particularly interested in how members of the Department have been requested to keep silent about the case, or asked to portray Martin in a light that is innacurate or favorable to the prosecution.

I am also interested in the following, and request any additional information anonymously regarding the below:

Previous threats by Trayvon Martin to kill his mother.

Information regarding Trayvon Martin committing burglaries in the neighborhood, off campus, during school hours.

The suspensions of Trayvon Martin

Known history of drug use of Trayvon Martin

Any acts of violence committed against a school bus driver by Trayvon Martin

Trayvon Martin's training, famliarity, or interest in MMA

Any information would be much appreciated. Again, this is a fact finding mission, and any information can be posted on this board anonymously, or e-mailed to me directly (preference) at cavsgrad00@aol.com

Thanks in advance for your consideration and desire to see the malicous prosecution of George Zimmerman brought to an end.


....more at link
http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewtopic. ... in#p984831

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Rumpole wrote:
There endeth the discussion of "Sundance"

Lets stick to the actual FOIA... what it does or does not contain we will know soon (perhaps)


It appears that he who shall not be named found some really really scandalous chit.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... /#comments


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Thanks Rumpole for the addition. The response was intriguing.



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by Snake Eyes » 12/19/12 09:01:15

Mr. Interestedparty, you might want to ask for the transcripts of the six Internal Investigations initiated by the former Chief on the six individuals from the General Investigation Unit. Within those investigations were statements made about the incident you mention, and you will be surprise.

For the record, all six individuals were exonerated, and the chief was placed on administrative (since April) leave pending SEVERAL investigations, and spending lots of money on legal representation.


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