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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:08 pm 
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can Crump sue himself as ineffective counsel? :lol

Only if he can plead " :Gslap insanity."


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:15 pm 
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Darkman wrote:
Statement found on TMWarriors:

Statement From Trayvon Martin’s Family and Their Attorneys

April 11, 2013

Statement from Trayvon Martin’s Family and their Attorneys

One year ago today, the State of Florida decided that there was evidence to charge George Zimmerman for second-degree murder for profiling, pursuing, and killing our unarmed teenage son. The facts of this case are simple and straightforward. We are confident that a jury following the overwhelming evidence against George Zimmerman will hold him accountable for killing our son, Trayvon Martin.

For the Zimmerman family to allege that the justice system doesn’t work, simply because they are unhappy their son was arrested in the first place, is disingenuous and disrespectful to the very system that is currently affording him every available opportunity to defend himself. The arrest of an admitted killer is not a violation of due process, it is due process. Most will agree that no one has been given greater consideration by the justice system for killing an unarmed child, than George Zimmerman.

We continue to pray that our son’s death will serve as a catalyst in preventing other senseless acts of gun violence.


Ah Mr. Crump, ever the showman. The state charged George on your false narrative and nothing more. Repeating the same rhetoric over and over doesn't make is so. (OK maybe for those who have your fiction and not facts embedded in their brains, it might work). There is no overwhelming evidence against George. Quite the contrary, all the evidence to date, favors George. To say the Zimmerman family is not happy is an understatement. Corruption is rampant in the justice system, and you and people like you, are the cause. And no, most would not agree that George has been given greater consideration for killing Trayvon Martin. If anything, George has been treated unfairly to the extreme.

Yes, I pray Trayvon's death will be a catalyst also. I pray it will serve as a reminder to any young man who thinks violence is acceptable behavior.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:44 pm 
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Trayvon Martin's family fires back after mother of George Zimmerman's letter

Martin family says Gladys Zimmerman's allegations are 'disingenuous and disrespectful'

Published On: Apr 11 2013 03:53:45 PM EDT

Read more: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Trayvo ... index.html


How is Mrs Gladys letter disrespectful ? :46 and to whom does she owe any respect to. I wouldn't think I owed anyone anything if my son saved his own life against someone who attacked him and I sure as heck wouldn't owe any respect to a bunch of liars who would do anything to destroy my son for just protecting his own life. :stamp


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:56 pm 
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Debfrmhell: How do you do it ? .... how do you stay so calm when idiots like that start talking junk. :TF ( I was talking about the comments from the twitter pics).


It is very easy. I know they are full of **** and they don't want to admit it. If I were in their position, I wouldn't either.

OBI-WAN! Wow. That turned out huge. Feel free to edit to your hearts content.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:02 pm 
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Just wanted to drop in and add my two cents. Real life has left me with nothing further about what transpired since I read Mrs. Zimmerman's letter early this morning.

I just want to say that letter broke my heart, reading between the lines you can see the pain that woman and her family have experienced since this happened.

I challenge one foe of the Zimmermans who wouldn't say the same things about their son if they found their son accussed of being a murderer.

What's happened to this family and case is beyond the pale and something I never thought would or could happen in this country in this day and age.

Appalling.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:03 pm 
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How is Mrs Gladys letter disrespectful ? :46 and to whom does she owe any respect to. I wouldn't think I owed anyone anything if my son saved his own life against someone who attacked him and I sure as heck wouldn't owe any respect to a bunch of liars who would do anything to destroy my son for just protecting his own life. :stamp


Gladys wrote:

Today, April 11, 2013 is the anniversary of the most unfortunate arrest of our son George. I am writing from my heart and with incalculable gratitude to our family members, dearest friends, and those we have not personally met but who have nonetheless offered their unwavering moral and spiritual support. Those who read this letter should do so of their own free will, and do so because they are interested in its message. If you read this letter with the hopes of finding material to mock or rebuke please stop reading now, because this letter is not intended for you.

I would say Crump is the disrespectful one...can't he read?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:06 pm 
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Comment from Sha's link


"to allege that the justice system doesn’t work, simply because they are unhappy their son was arrested in the first place"...
Wait a minute!! Was it not TM's parents that had Al, Jesse and the Black Panthers come to town and march because THEY were unhappy that GZ was NOT arrested??? Yet they have the nerve to bad-mouth GZ's mother because she is unhappy???
What a bunch of hypocrites!!!!"


Don't know this commenter AimHigh but IMO hit the nail right on the head.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:22 pm 
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It is very easy. I know they are full of **** and they don't want to admit it. If I were in their position, I wouldn't either.

OBI-WAN! Wow. That turned out huge. Feel free to edit to your hearts content.


Does size matter? :neener

It's ok... shows the convo in context... but if you want just a tweet or two...embed them as per instructions.

or........ supply link to twitter page rather than a screen shot.... k? :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:23 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
Crump continues to prove the old adage:

A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client

I wonder..... can Crump sue himself as ineffective counsel? :lol


Crump voluntarily files with the court evidence that, per Florida standard jury instructions, is apparently useful only for impeaching his own clients. "Tell me the story like you told it to Mr. Tracy and Ms. Sybrina"; then denies all prior knowledge of W8 and also admits waiver of privilege in paragraph 34 of his affidavit and follows that up with direct filing of impeachment evidence with the court. WTF ? Is Crump trying to throw Sybrina and Tracy under the bus?

It would ice the cake nicely if insurance company and / or HOA sues Crump for breach of confidentiality.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:26 pm 
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flgirl543 wrote:
Ah Mr. Crump, ever the showman. The state charged George on your false narrative and nothing more. Repeating the same rhetoric over and over doesn't make is so. (OK maybe for those who have your fiction and not facts embedded in their brains, it might work). There is no overwhelming evidence against George. Quite the contrary, all the evidence to date, favors George. To say the Zimmerman family is not happy is an understatement. Corruption is rampant in the justice system, and you and people like you, are the cause. And no, most would not agree that George has been given greater consideration for killing Trayvon Martin. If anything, George has been treated unfairly to the extreme.

Yes, I pray Trayvon's death will be a catalyst also. I pray it will serve as a reminder to any young man who thinks violence is acceptable behavior.


flgirl543: I agree with you .


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:29 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
I wonder..... can Crump sue himself as ineffective counsel? :lol

I don't see why not - we've run the gamut so far...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:38 pm 
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How is Mrs Gladys letter disrespectful ? :46 and to whom does she owe any respect to. I wouldn't think I owed anyone anything if my son saved his own life against someone who attacked him and I sure as heck wouldn't owe any respect to a bunch of liars who would do anything to destroy my son for just protecting his own life.

I've tried to afford the Martin/Fulton crowd a lot of slack, but I've reached the end of my spool.

To wit: Tracy, great job being a Dad. Wouldn't want to interrupt your booty calls to rear your progeny, huh?

And Sybrina, please get over yourself and your ersatz indignation soon.

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I can't afford much but I hope to donate a small amount next week. I figure every little bit helps.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:13 pm 
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Too old to remember if size matters or not! Last check, though, bigger was better...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:15 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:


Does size matter? :neener

It's ok... shows the convo in context... but if you want just a tweet or two...embed them as per instructions.

or........ supply link to twitter page rather than a screen shot.... k? :)


I can't, Seni scrubbed the tweet. This is a copy of the thread a friend sent me via twitter when I was griping about the intentional scrubbing.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Ok

So what we have is good.... I appreciate that screen shots are best evidence once things are deleted.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:20 pm 
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Crump voluntarily files with the court evidence that, per Florida standard jury instructions, is apparently useful only for impeaching his own clients. "Tell me the story like you told it to Mr. Tracy and Ms. Sybrina"; then denies all prior knowledge of W8 and also admits waiver of privilege in paragraph 34 of his affidavit and follows that up with direct filing of impeachment evidence with the court. WTF ? Is Crump trying to throw Sybrina and Tracy under the bus?

It would ice the cake nicely if insurance company and / or HOA sues Crump for breach of confidentiality.

Did you get the feeling that while not articulated, he was alluding that DD was offered $$ for her involvement?
Why did he highlight #6 of the jury instructions?
Has the witness been offered or received any money, preferred treatment, or any other benefit in order to get the witness to testify?


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Did you get the feeling that while not articulated, he was alluding that DD was offered $$ for her involvement?
Why did he highlight #6 of the jury instructions?
Has the witness been offered or received any money, preferred treatment, or any other benefit in order to get the witness to testify?

I doubt DD was offered any money. I suspect she did what she did because she was forced into a corner by Tracy, Sybrina and Crump. I think she had to lie to give them what they wanted and protect the truth. Emotional extortion by Trayvon's family and their handlers.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:47 pm 
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I feel whoever was on the phone with TM (I'm not sure it was even DD) heard something entirely different than what DD claims she (or whoever) heard. I don't know if money was the motive, but emotional extortion is a good explanation, for the "cause", JFTM. Or perhaps it was a little/a lot of both.


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boricuafudd wrote:
Did you get the feeling that while not articulated, he was alluding that DD was offered $$ for her involvement?
Why did he highlight #6 of the jury instructions?
Has the witness been offered or received any money, preferred treatment, or any other benefit in order to get the witness to testify?


I thought MOM was referring to Tracy changing his testimony about Trayvon not being the one screaming, even though 3 cops confirm that is what he said.


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