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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:51 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
Unless I'm misunderstanding: this is the Ron Burgundy of Show Cause orders. It's kind of a big deal.

Well played!

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John_Galt wrote:
Yeah, seems to me that Crump will be deposed. I thought that getting the DCA to review a discovery order before trial was the main hurdle.


FRAP 9.100

(h) Order to Show Cause. If the petition demonstrates a preliminary
basis for relief, a departure from the essential requirements of law that will cause
material injury for which there is no adequate remedy by appeal, or that review of
final administrative action would not provide an adequate remedy, the court may
issue an order directing the respondent to show cause, within the time set by the
court, why relief should not be granted. In prohibition proceedings such orders
shall stay further proceedings in the lower tribunal.

Thanks for sharing!

As to what Crump's goal was in filing the HOA papers, I wonder if Nelson pushed him into doing it. Her orders on this issue follow the rule of 'because I said so.'


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:15 pm 
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John_Galt wrote:
DCA enters show cause order. I think this means that Nelson / BDLR / Crump have 20 days to show cause why DCA should not grant the petition for cert, and then MOM / West have 10 days to reply.

http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docket?p ... earchType=



Nelson can now submit to DCA what she submitted to the defense: "Cause I said so". Doesn't really work when it's DCA now does it. The least she could have done was to give the basis for her decision to defense like a professional ... not a dictator. She treats them like the red-headed step child.


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Darkman wrote:
Is Crump saying "crap" yet, by any chance? :blush


Not yet, although I devoutly hope he will be doing so in the not too distant future.

As I understand it, this news means that the DCA is willing to consider granting the writ, but before making their decision, they're inviting input from the other side. Which would seem to be correct protocol, in the interests of justice.

Now we just have to wait and see whether the DCA is willing to be blinded by the smoke & mirrors of the Scheme Team's response or whether they really do serve the cause of justice. We can't be letting up on our prayers for a while yet!

ETA: For the purposes of verbal shorthand, I'm including Nelson with the Scheme Team. She sure hasn't done much to convince me that her heart lies with justice rather than with politics. :(


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Darkman wrote:
Is Crump saying "crap" yet, by any chance? :blush


I hope that the DCA will issue a published opinion that makes Crump infamous.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:21 pm 
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John_Galt wrote:
DCA enters show cause order. I think this means that Nelson / BDLR / Crump have 20 days to show cause why DCA should not grant the petition for cert, and then MOM / West have 10 days to reply.

http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docket?p ... earchType=

I tend to think Crump/BDLR (whoever) will sit on it for 20 days. That only leaves 43 days before trial with that alone. Then you have the DCA taking time to make its decision and then scheduling the deposition should it be granted. The defense may only have a dozen or so weekdays to do anything with whatever info they get from the depo. They may not even meet the cutoff date for short order motions. (Cut-off to file short order motions: 5-31-13 (10 days before trial))

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=747

EDIT: Most likely wouldn't meet Cut-off to file motions: 5-10-13 (30 days before trial). If the depo is granted, and the 'show cause' takes the 20 days, the defense may have good reason to require an extension. It would be Nelson's own damn fault for denying it in the first place. IMO & IANAL


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John_Galt wrote:
I hope that the DCA will issue a published opinion that makes Crump infamous.


From your keyboard to God's ears, JG. :)


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So the Appellate due dates are:

4/28 for Scheme Team, and
5/8 for Team George

now try to calculate (if they will hear it), how much time to overturn Nelson ... schedule Crump, do the dep and get this all done before trial date of 6/10. However, the way I read the Rule this could then delay the trial for the purpose of taking Crump's dep.


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Clerk to unseal settlement with Trayvon Martin's parents
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
4:09 p.m. EDT, April 8, 2013

That secret homeowners association settlement with Trayvon Martin's family may not remain secret much longer.

Seminole County Clerk of Courts Maryanne Morse has written a letter to Trayvon's family attorney, Benjamin Crump, telling him that she doesn't think it meets the standard of a confidential filing so she intends to make it public in 10 days.

Even so, the total dollar figure paid out by the association will likely remain a secret. That's because Crump edited it out before he put the 12-page document in the court file Thursday.

It's believed to be more than $1 million.

Part of the 12-page settlement popped into public view for a few minutes Friday.

...more at link
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 5871.story

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Ottawa925 wrote:
Nelson can now submit to DCA what she submitted to the defense: "Cause I said so". Doesn't really work when it's DCA now does it. The least she could have done was to give the basis for her decision to defense like a professional ... not a dictator. She treats them like the red-headed step child.


Refresher (mainly for myself):
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/order_re_crump.pdf



Edit to add: This, to me, confirms it was a "Cause I said so" order.


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Rumpole wrote:
That secret homeowners association settlement with Trayvon Martin's family may not remain secret much longer.


Now we shall see just how much Crump really wants to keep it secret.


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What was Crump thinking :doh

:lol

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Rumpole wrote:
What was Crump thinking :doh

:lol


Good question. How does filing the settlement agreement help Crump?


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John_Galt wrote:
How does filing the settlement agreement help Crump?

We get one tiny little bit of information, which brings up 10 more questions. We are waaayyyy ahead on questions. :TF


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John_Galt wrote:

Good question. How does filing the settlement agreement help Crump?


My initial thought (as very IANAL)... was some sort of proof that he was indeed "opposing counsel" to MOM.

But I have seen that notion shot down in discussion.

I think it was Hooson1st asked at CTH... how is it that Crump can attach anything to the record in the criminal case?

Can anybody file any old document? I do recall that whackos send letters to Judge Strickland and Judge Perry that ended up amongst discovery documents in the ANT case.

So... is this Crump filing of similar status... a letter from some whacko who really has no involvement in the case?

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Rumpole wrote:
What was Crump thinking :doh

:lol


John_Galt wrote:
Good question. How does filing the settlement agreement help Crump?


CYA for Nelson?


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I have not seen or looked for a link to Crump's cover letter filed, has anyone here seen it?


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I have not seen or looked for a link to Crump's cover letter filed, has anyone here seen it?


No. Wonder exactly what OS has going on with the clerk?


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I think we can see it in the Clerks office docket stuff... but its not posted in court media releases... yet?

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A

Recent Entries:

MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE
04/05/2013... LETT... LETTER FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO ATTORNEY BENJAMIN CRUMP REGARDING NOTICE OF
04/05/2013... LETT... CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION

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