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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:54 pm 
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Not only is DeLaRionda WRONG, I hope MOM sues him for slander.

DeeDee's lie impeaches her as a witness because it goes to her credibility. The Supreme Court says that "impeachment" is "exculpatory." evidence:


" In addition to evidence that tends to establish the innocence of the accused, the government has an affirmative obligation to provide the defense with evidence that tends to undermine the credibility of their witnesses as set forth in Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972). This is referred to as impeachment evidence.

What, one might well ask, is the difference between exculpatory evidence and impeachment evidence? Given a witness that says he saw you rob a store - is evidence that shows you were somewhere else (exculpatory evidence) substantially different than evidence that shows he was somewhere else (impeachment evidence)?

In United States v. Bagley, 473 U.S. 667 (1985), the Supreme Court held that for Brady purposes, there is no difference between exculpatory evidence and impeachment evidence. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun specifically stated:



"the Court of Appeals treated impeachment evidence as constitutionally different from exculpatory evidence . . . This Court has rejected any such distinction between impeachment evidence and exculpatory evidence." Id. at 676.


:Gslap I hope Mark is reading us" internet trolls" tonight.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:01 pm 
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I think RT is too small to gain much attention....

But... CTH seems to be on everyone's reading list. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:15 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:
I think RT is too small to gain much attention....

But... CTH seems to be on everyone's reading list. :)



Done. :28


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:18 pm 
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Done. :28

You're getting darn good at this stuff! :N12

Impressive and I cannot tell you how much I want to see BDLR sanctioned! From your keyboard.....


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:27 pm 
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From GZ Legal Site

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php/di ... -discovery


STATE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS

on 29 March 2013.
The State has filed the following STATE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS with the Court:

STATE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/re ... ctions.pdf



With Respect to the State's Response to Defendant's Motion for Sanctions Against State Attorney's Office for Discovery Violations

on 29 March 2013.
The STATE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS, while pointed, has little substance that addresses the very serious motion we have before the Court.

From a legal perspective, the Zimmerman case is about whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense, but we understand that the case has also become important to the national conversation about race relations, about gun control, and about “Stand Your Ground” laws. Although the Court will not be able to resolve these larger issues, we as the defense team, have chosen to engage in the national conversation in a responsible and respectful way.

George Zimmerman was arrested under an extraordinary set of circumstances, and he is being prosecuted under similar circumstances. As we prepare for a jury trial in June, we have real concerns about George’s ability to receive a fair trial. The DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS is not a frivolous attack on the prosecution, it is a serious attempt to seek remedy for discovery violations that have a substantial impact on our ability to defend George.

What is at stake is George Zimmerman’s right to a fair trial, and in a broader sense, what is at stake is the sanctity of the criminal justice system and its ability to function properly under the incredible public and political pressures that have been placed upon it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:26 am 
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But there are perhaps more clues in the original... handwriting for instance is not typical script of a "modern" young person perhaps?

THE Dee Dee Letter

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Facts

Bagley (defendant) was indicted on drug and weapons charges. Before trial, Bagley sought discovery of the prosecution’s witnesses and any deals made in exchange for testimony. In response, the prosecution provided affidavits from two key witnesses stating that no deals had been made. The witnesses testified, and Bagley was convicted of the drugs charges and acquitted of the weapons charges. Later, Bagley filed Freedom of Information Act requests and received contracts that the two witnesses had signed agreeing to testify in exchange for $300. Bagley claimed that the government had violated his due process rights by withholding evidence that the defense could have utilized to impeach the witnesses. The district court held that the evidence was not material because the outcome would have been the same. The court of appeals reversed, holding that Bagley was entitled to automatic reversal under Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1964). The United States Supreme Court granted certiorari.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:36 am 
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It would be such a relief for FACTS to actually work in this case. My only hope, at this point, is at the court of appeals after GZ is convicted. Hate to be such a pessimist, but I don't see this train wreck stopping. :(


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:39 am 
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(supposedly) DD: "Then I found this tragic story."

The entire script and especially this last bit at the end doesn't sound anything like the DD we've heard.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:28 am 
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Reminder


As well as this DAILY discussion thread about the GZ case... there is also

DAILY DAFT POSTS FROM JUSTARSE QUEST
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=822&p=28959#p28959


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If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:20 am 
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WRT the DeeDee letter:
I posted this over on Mike McDaniel's site and wanted to post it here at my favorite place as well.

If I were on the defense team, I'd have DeeDee read that letter aloud in open court. I think it would go a long way in proving these are not her own words, as I think she'd have a difficult time managing it, IMO.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:38 am 
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Remote wrote:
(supposedly) DD: "Then I found this tragic story."

The entire script and especially this last bit at the end doesn't sound anything like the DD we've heard.


It's too bad for her that any normal person would have found "this tragic story" that very night.

No one could have heard what she claims she heard and not try to do something that night ... and they certainly wouldn't have to wait until approached by someone (after the 911 tapes and other information was released) to realize that they was the last person to talk to him alive.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:14 am 
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My two cents about DeeDee's letter. It doesn't look like a teen's penmenship , at least according to how she sounds. I would expect spelling errors.That writing is from an older person. Something is not right about that letter.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:00 am 
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Try to put aside what we know of the case, then read the letter. To me it gives the clear indication that the incident happened as TM was going to the store, and not on the way back. The is no indication that TM was afraid or concerned, in fact she thought it was just a fight. The letter is as telling for what it has as for what it does not.


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The Orlando Sentinel has another article up about this case and about the escalating hostility: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 2497.story

Drunk and unprofessional. :lol


That explains why Leatherman was so enamored by it.

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Several news stations have been reporting on BDLRs rant. WFTVs Bill Shaffer & Fox35s Diana Tennis have made some pretty funny comments. DT said something like it sounded as if it was written at 2am while drunk LOL :lol LOVE some of the things DT says


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My guess is MOM became aware of DD's letter during her depo. BDLR had no choice but to include it in the last discovery dump. I question what was his point in including it his response. Did he think somehow it would be lost among his rant?


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DT said something like it sounded as if it was written at 2am while drunk LOL :lol LOVE some of the things DT says

That was picked up by the Orlando Sentinel and included in that article I linked to a few posts back. I think it's great that at least a few of the more prominent news outlets are running stories that aren't 100% pro-Trayvon or pro-State.


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Rumpole wrote:
But there are perhaps more clues in the original... handwriting for instance is not typical script of a "modern" young person perhaps?

THE Dee Dee Letter

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I have a program that I use that tells me if a pic has been edited with programs like photoshop. This photo when I ran it came up that it was edited but not with photoshop. When I zoomed in on the letter the date was strange looked like it was added later. I agree the script doesn't look like a teenager did it.

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boricuafudd wrote:
Try to put aside what we know of the case, then read the letter. To me it gives the clear indication that the incident happened as TM was goingto the store, and not on the way back. The is no indication that TM was afraid or concerned, in fact she thought it was just a fight. The letter is as telling for what it has as for what it does not.


I would hope MOM or West grilled her on the times. Every one of her interviews it's like 7-11 was right next door. He walks out the door and poof he's right back at the complex. Either Trayvon took his time on the way there or the way back I wanna know what he was doing.

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