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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:28 am 
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I believe that Crump made up the entire narrative and spoon fed it to Dee Dee to tell. I don't think her mother was ever involved.


I believe DD was on the phone with Trayvon, but what she heard wasn't what she was spewing. What she was spewing is exactly what she agreed to say. Maybe she was convinced she would be the hero, get justice for Trayvon and, in effect, all those others who have been persecuted unfairly (or in their minds, unfairly), you know, for the "cause". I think DD heard things that would prove TM premeditated his attack on GZ. Will she ever tell the truth???


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It's like being in a Hitchcock movie, with lies swarming all around like something straight out of *Heck*.

Good analogy. :TF


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:04 am 
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RiseFromBelow wrote:
Apparently DeeDee told Crump that she was a juvenile. First page.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/mo ... covery.pdf


Quoted from Motion:
During the interview with Mr. Crump, Witness 8 stated that she was a juvenile...


Anyone have any idea where O'Mara found the information necessary to determine this?


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I believe DD was on the phone with Trayvon, but what she heard wasn't what she was spewing. What she was spewing is exactly what she agreed to say. Maybe she was convinced she would be the hero, get justice for Trayvon and, in effect, all those others who have been persecuted unfairly (or in their minds, unfairly), you know, for the "cause". I think DD heard things that would prove TM premeditated his attack on GZ. Will she ever tell the truth???


I suspect that already she has during her deposition. BLDR knows. If he didn't know prior to this everything she knew, it is sheer incompetence or willful ignorance.

Why is there no recording or transcript for that August 2-3, 2012 interview? IIRC, that was an overnighter. They didn't fly her to Jacksonville, put her up for a night, and fly her back for a trip to Disneyworld... I cannot believe that there is no record of this yet it is in Discovery as happening.

I have to call BS. The FDLE did bios for all of the "A" witnesses and they did them not too long after Corey was assigned as Special Prosecutor. Do we really think that either just before or shortly after the 4/2/12 interview that W8 would not have been included?

I have been looking for the interview that was done by FDLE for W8 and I can't find one. ((Not saying it isn't in there, will look further)) I would assume the State would submit a list of persons that they wanted these bios for. Did the Prosecutors fail to disclose her, they certainly had her name, and if they did, why? Did they disclose her name to the FDLE and choose to leave out her bio? Is that why those bios are sealed and only recently given to the Defense with only addresses redacted?

They knew. They knew her name. They knew her age. And by the time August rolled around they knew that the "hospital" spin was a misrepresentation.


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I have been looking for the interview that was done by FDLE for W8 and I can't find one. ((Not saying it isn't in there, will look further)) I would assume the State would submit a list of persons that they wanted these bios for. Did the Prosecutors fail to disclose her, they certainly had her name, and if they did, why? Did they disclose her name to the FDLE and choose to leave out her bio? Is that why those bios are sealed and only recently given to the Defense with only addresses redacted?

Deb, I don't think you will find any interview beside the one DD did with BDLR, remember that as late as March 28th, Bondi said in an interview that she was refusing to cooperate. I believe the first time they talked to her was on April 2nd.


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Quoted from Motion:
During the interview with Mr. Crump, Witness 8 stated that she was a juvenile...


Anyone have any idea where O'Mara found the information necessary to determine this?


I think ABC gave them the recordings. Witness lists must be exchanged by 3/27, not sure if that will be published or not.


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Why is there no recording or transcript for that August 2-3, 2012 interview? IIRC, that was an overnighter. They didn't fly her to Jacksonville, put her up for a night, and fly her back for a trip to Disneyworld... I cannot believe that there is no record of this yet it is in Discovery as happening.


Recordings or transcripts would have to be turned over to the defense. BDLR's notes, recollections and mental impressions are arguably protected from discovery as attorney work product.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:54 am 
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kbp wrote:

Anyone have any idea where O'Mara found the information necessary to determine this?


I think Dee Dee herself has revealed in her depo what she told who and when.

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George Zimmerman's lawyers file witness list with 130 names

They include Trayvon Martin's mother, father, Ben Crump and Norm Wolfinger.

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
11:47 a.m. EDT, March 26, 2013

SANFORD - Attorneys for George Zimmerman have filed a new defense witness list, and it includes more than 130 people. Among them: Trayvon Martin's mother and father, their attorney Benjamin Crump, former Sanford police Chief Bill Lee Jr. and former State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

It also includes Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte and several other members of Trayvon's family, including his step-brother and the Oviedo cousin with whom he'd spent the night the evening before he was fatally shot.

Attorneys seldom call all the witnesses they list, still the list placed in the official court file Monday is extraordinary for its length.

It includes many people who clearly have no direct connection to the shooting or what happened Feb. 26, the night Zimmerman killed Trayvon, 17.

....more at link
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 3235.story

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If it was actually DeeDee's own idea to lie about her age, that puts a different perspective on things. Why would she voluntarily do that? Did she WANT to get involved in this case? Did she actively seek to contact Sybrina or someone on the Scheme Team? I would doubt that, especially given the time interval but this makes no sense. There must be a deeper reason for lying about her age than is readily visible. The only thing that makes sense to me is that someone else suggested it to her before the interview but IDK.

I guess we still do not have records to confirm if she was on the phone during those last few minutes. Is that right? If not, would she risk telling the defense she was if she wasn't?


It seems to be a game of hot potato to me. They tell her to take the blame and nothing will be done to her and she puts the blame on Sabrina being in the room and no one will say anything to (Sabrina ) of course . Then Crump Blames Bernie ,
Bernie Blames Crump and on and on. :TF


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When are they going to address these motions?


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Attorneys for STATE cancel the hearing?
There has got to be a LOT to this?

Maybe they need time to get together and get their stories straight. :smoke


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This seems to fly in the face of the Western Judicial system.

The State has laid charges and should be prepared to proceed.....

Or drop those charges? (IMO)

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Attorneys for STATE cancel the hearing?


There has got to be a LOT to this?

Rene means both state and defense. The ',' should probably have been an '&' to make it clearer


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EDIT: Canceling the April 2nd hearing seems strange to me. There's a lot to discuss. Wonder what's up.


Perhaps to give Nelson time to hold a Richardson hearing?

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Maybe Bernie has skipped town and they have to drag him back?

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Rumpole wrote:


Attorneys for STATE cancel the hearing?


There has got to be a LOT to this?


Per Nelson's Amended Scheduling Order, state & defense are supposed to exchange witness lists, including experts, tomorrow. I don't know if that would also include exhibit lists and expert reports, or if such materials would be published, or merely exchanged.

Here are some samples from another case:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85534230/Amen ... dman-Trial

Canceling the hearing sounds a little strange, although the relief sought in the motion for sanctions is not a game changer even in the unlikely event that Nelson grants the relief requested: fine the SAO.

Postponing the hearing on the renewed motion to depose Crump is more puzzling.

MOM getting scammed by false promises?
Bernie wants to take the last exit before Nifong City?


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chipbennett wrote:
Perhaps to give Nelson time to hold a Richardson hearing?

Maybe. It's hard to imagine nothing happening until April 30 considering the last two motions filed by the defense. My guess is there will be some kind of hearing before then. Wouldn't the defense have to file a motion for a Richardson hearing?

EDIT: Maybe it was canceled because the state and defense are having talks? Could there actually be a sit down with Nelson, the state and defense behind closed doors that we don't know about?


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