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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:17 pm 
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I wonder why Martinez is writing these factors on a scrap of paper.....

Guess...... He will do a dramatic gesture of scrunching/tearing the paper up and saying they are all garbage. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Aren't deceptive, manipulative, controlling, guilty people always "hyper-vigilant?" :roll

Rumpole - it was amusing how he imitated the Dr. hitting the desk for emphasis and Martinez hits his stand, too.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:23 pm 
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2:21 p.m ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

2:18 p.m ET: Now Martinez is asking Samuels about how another PTSD symptom he observed in Arias was her inability to concentrate. Samuels said Arias had trouble reading as an example of this behavior, but Martinez pointed out that Arias testified she read the Book of Mormon cover to cover.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:33 pm 
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I have lost the plot

WHY is PTSD important again?

Can't we just concede that butchering your boyfriend and dragging his corpse around is traumatic? Can still sentence her to death for it?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:33 pm 
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I see more papers in the jury basket. More questions.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:34 pm 
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The whole thing is such a waste of time and money. The Defense Team has only one more "expert" - the domestic violence expert. I'm already seeing there will be a million questions for her, too! Ugh! :Q3


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:35 pm 
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Martinez got a sentence out..... then.....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:38 pm 
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Everything is "she reported to me...she became aware......she indicated to me......"

Ok, yeah, we believe her. :roll


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2:43 p.m. ET:

“Her plan was to eventually kill herself,” said Samuels.

“Sir, that’s not a new thing for her, is it? It’s something that she thought of before, right?”

“She may have thought of it before but this became an overwhelming thought and plan for her. She never felt that she would be going to trial. She figured somehow she would be taking her life,” said Samuels.



2:41 p.m. ET: Samuels said Arias suicidal thoughts was a symptom of PTSD. Martinez said that she had suicidal thoughts before the trauma of killing Arias.

Samuels said it became a predominate thought after the trauma.

2:38 p.m. ET: Martinez played a recording of an interview he conducted with Samuels. On the recording, Samuels said Arias had trouble to sleeping, which could be a characteristic of hyper vigilance which is a symptom of PTSD. Samuels said that was not the only characteristic of hyper vigilance he observed in Arias. Arias told Samuels the noises in the jail seemed louder than they should be, and lights seemed brighter then they should be.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:45 pm 
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Seems a bit silly to be relating that she had a PLAN to commit suicide and so never go to trial... clearly a LIE... because she never did it... here she is :)

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Rumpole wrote:
Seems a bit silly to be relating that she had a PLAN to commit suicide and so never go to trial... clearly a LIE... because she never did it... here she is :)

Too bad she's not a woman of her word.


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2:45 p.m. ET: Now Martinez is asking Samuels about how another PTSD symptom he observed in Arias was her blunted affect or inability to feel or show emotions. Samuels said during interviews with Arias she did not have the emotions he expected her to have when she talked about killing Alexander.

2:44 p.m. ET:

“At no time when she was in the jail, was there any indication that she was on suicide watch, right?” asked Martinez.

“No, she never had a plan,” said Samuels.

“In other words, it wasn’t there. You didn’t find anything like that, right?” asked Martinez.

“No,” said Samuels.

“So the only thing you really have to point that out to us, is her word, right?” asked Martinez.

“Yes,” said Samuels.


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Samuels calls that alternate universe a psychological defense mechanism. Martinez now says he doesn't want to talk about that.

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Samuels describes Arias' initial story about the armed intruders as creating an alternate universe.

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Samuels talks about Arias thinking she would kill herself before trial. Martinez says it predates murder. Samuels says it's more intense.


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2:57 p.m. ET: Martinez is writing down the symptoms of PTSD Samuels said he observed in Arias as he goes along.


2:54 p.m. ET: Martinez is asking Samuels about how another PTSD symptom he observed in Arias was her detachment from others. Samuels said Arias had difficulty of feeling attachments with other inmates. Martinez pointed out it was Arias first time being in jail, and that is a pretty common emotion when someone is in jail for the first time.

2:51 p.m. ET:

“She built up a defense mechanism to help her not deal with the emotional trauma with what really happened. She created an alternative universe that she responded to. So it’s not surprising that she could smile and laugh about this alternative universe because it didn’t actually exist. When talking about Mr. Alexander at a later time with me, she had blunted affect,” said Samuels.

“With regard to this alternative universe that you’re talking about, it’s nothing more that a lie, right?” asked Martinez.

“In your words, sir,” said Samuels.


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A blokes work is never done.... off to do a few chores.. but...

I'll be back!!

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Couldn't end without yet another drink!

Going to get on the elliptical. Be back, too.


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They are back... Judge says two words.. "be seated", then........

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